- From: Steven McCaffrey <smccaffr@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:12:52 -0400
- To: karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Hi Karl:
Actually, if you check the QED thread you will find I was one of the few totally blind people to speak up in support of people with Ld. I remember because Jonathan thanked me.
My point was deeper than that, but I'll wait unitl you go through my response. I like many of your thoughts on communication. This is exactly what I am driving at, but at a deeper level. The deceptively simple way to put it is: What is the nature of information gained by the eyes when viewing a chart diagram? If we can't really answer this question, how can we hope for cross-modal communication?
-Steve
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Steven McCaffrey
Information Technology Services
NYSED
(518)-473-3453
>>> <karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov> 08/25 2:10 PM >>>
Steve -
This is an interesting response and I'll need some more time to
reflect on everything you're saying, but there's another aspect
I'd like to point out. I certainly hope you realize how
"blind-centric" your statement below is: "Humm, if the text
has the same information, what is gained by drawing the chart
at all?". This is precisely the type of attitude for which the
LD community has been so critical of the WAI guidelines in
recent threads.
A flowchart is primarily a visual tool; even if you could
perfectly convey all the information contained in a flowchart
in a narrative text, the visual representation is still needed
because it helps reinforce this information for
visually-oriented people.
A tool like AllClear could make it possible to greatly improve
communication between a blind person and a sighted person.
A blind person, after hearing a process described, could create
a flowchart based on his/her understanding of what they heard.
The flowchart could then be used as the medium to convey this
understanding to the sighted person, who would then be able to
comment. In this scenario, I would argue that a blind person
would provide invaluable insight into the accuracy of the
flowchart diagram.
This scenario also brings up a point that I feel is often
neglected from WAI discussions. Too much of our discussions
are focused solely on the technology, rather than on using
technology to enable and improve communication among people.
While I certainly agree that the goal is to enable each person
to be independent to the greatest degree possible. Our
discussions are also almost exclusively focused on individuals,
although the increasing complexity we are faced with in
addressing societal issues is demanding greater collaboration
among people.
One area I would like to see more focus on is encouraging and
enabling communications among people with disabilities.
For example, identifying four disabilities -- visual, hearing,
cognitive, and motor -- would lead to 15 (2 raised to the 4th
power, minus 1) possible combinations. By the way, this would
best be presented to visually-oriented people in a Venn diagram
with four overlapping circles (I'm still working on drawing
this correctly). These 15 combinations would include the 4
disability groups by themselves, 6 pairs, 4 groups of three,
and one of all four (which is universal design). We need to
be careful about our use of "Unversal Design" and make sure
that we apply it appropriately; using the term when we're not
focusing on all disability groups undermines its effectiveness.
One of the most strategic ways we could address accessibility
issues would be through enabling the direct communication among
disability groups. Assistive technology has progressed to the
point where we can enable a blind person and deaf person to
communicate directly (a blind person using a TTY software
package with a screen reader). To what degree can the other
pairs be addressed -- visual and cognitive, visual and motor,
hearing and motor, hearing and cognitive, cognitive and motor?
Karl Hebenstreit, Jr.
US General Services Administration
Center for Information Technology Accommodation
Home Page: http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/cita
E-mail: karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov
From: "Steven McCaffrey" <smccaffr@MAIL.NYSED.GOV> AT internet
on 08/17/99 07:17 AM
To: Karl F. Hebenstreit Jr./MKC/CO/GSA/GOV, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
AT INTERNET@ccMTA-GEMS-MTA-01
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Subject: Re: How to describe Flowcharts, Schematics, etc
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