- From: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 19:34:58 -0300
- To: "'Alastair Campbell'" <acampbell@nomensa.com>, "'Wilco Fiers'" <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
- Cc: "'WCAG list'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <007e01d8881a$a35c1dc0$ea145940$@gmail.com>
> If they are made available AND the author(ing workflow) has included markers of those pages, there is an intention there. Headings may well provide another method of navigating, but if (non-disabled) people can refer to the page numbers, it follows there should be a way for someone low-vision or blind to get to them. Navigation by table of contents is equally important, but it doesn't provide the same level of granularity. A student who can only reach the nearest heading then has to manually find their way to the location within the chapter or section. The problem with the multiple ways success criterion is that it doesn't require anything in particular; it's too general. There are always multiple ways to navigate an EPUB between the required table of contents and the linear reading order, for example. Having this success criterion promotes this particular need for environments where mixed print/digital use is common. I don't recall this success criterion is prescriptive about how linking to the pagination has to occur, either. If it makes more sense on the web to offer some other alternative, then nothing makes that wrong. You could have a "jump to" box that allows someone to input the page number to move to the destination; it doesn't have to be a big list of links. I'm not sure about using the table of contents, though, as that would probably bloat it and make it useless for navigation, especially when hundreds or thousands of page number are in it. But if your only page markers are the start of each section, then maybe you can combine the heading link and page link? And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "mechanism" also mean AT could provide the functionality on the web? If, in the future, they were to provide a list of all doc-pagebreak identified markers to navigate to, wouldn't that remove the need to do anything special for web publishers? (Of course, that's speculative and far off, and maybe only appropriate for single-page documents.) Matt From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> Sent: June 24, 2022 1:44 PM To: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com> Cc: WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> Subject: Re: Page break navigation Hi Wilco, Starting a separate thread, chair hat off, replying from the perspective of following the SC from the beginning: > In my opinion the user need for the success criterion as written has not been sufficiently established. This requirement came from the EPUB group, and everyone we've heard from that has worked in education has said that this is a problem. > While it is certainly true that for example, students need to be able to navigate to specific pages in digital text books, it doesn't necessarily follow that every web page containing page break indicators poses a significant accessibility barrier unless page break navigation is added. For example, if the web page has only one or two page break locators. The way the SC is scoped, it only applies if people intentionally add page break locators. It isn't something that happens by accident. I can't see a scenario where someone would accidentally add one or two page-break-locators. If they did, then it's essentially a bug and could be removed. > There is also no allowance for alternative forms of navigation within the page, for example navigating a page by headings through a table of contents could address the same user need. In that way the success criterion is overly prescriptive. Unlike for example 2.4.5 Multiple Ways and 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks, which allow for different solutions. Going back to the first point, the scenario it is trying to tackle is the one where page numbers are available. If they are made available AND the author(ing workflow) has included markers of those pages, there is an intention there. Headings may well provide another method of navigating, but if (non-disabled) people can refer to the page numbers, it follows there should be a way for someone low-vision or blind to get to them. > Lastly, I believe this success criterion is a poor fit for WCAG 2.2. It is written in such a way that it can only be applied to EPUB, regardless of the much broader user need for inner-page navigation for large documents. WCAG 2.2 is designed as a technology agnostic standard. Success criteria should not be constrained to apply to only one technology. There may be a broader need for inner-page navigation, but we haven't got an established user-need for that. It could be that the current implementations of things like tables-of-contents based on headings work well, including for accessibility. However, we do know there is a need for page navigation in certain circumstances. I agree that the scope is quite narrow, but that is a good thing in this case because it scopes the SC to the circumstances where we know it is needed. I also feel like a broken record but: EPUB readers have page navigation built-in (i.e. fulfil the "mechanism is available" wording). This SC has an effect when those documents type of documents are transposed to browser-based situations. Kind regards, -Alastair
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