Re: Consistent help

If this SC came from the COGA TF, then I'd like to understand if the need
is being met if:

   1. The help can appear visually in different locations of the page from
   page-to-page, OR
   2. If it is plainly visible on one page and inside a closed toggle
   section on another.

Or is this SC only aimed at screen reader users, and therefore only the
serialized code order matters?

Thank you,

*Melanie Philipp, CPACC, WAS | *Director, Services Methodology
| 540-848-5220
Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
www.deque.com


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
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> There are a couple of issues left (opened by JonA), which I think have
> straightforward answers, but Jon would like to check they match everyone’s
> understanding.
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> The first is:
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> “I've seen instances where in the same responsive variation the help
> mechanism is visually in different locations but serially in the same
> order. That is on one page it's at the end of content but before the footer
> in the main area and on another page it's also between the content and the
> footer but on the right side (same variation/viewport). Does that meet the
> SC as the note implies? It seems like it would be best otherwise - but
> would pass.”
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> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2299
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> I think that would pass. Not good from a user point of view, but I don't
> think we can narrow it down to catch those scenarios without creating
> different issues elsewhere.
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> The second is:
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> “Does 3.2.6 Consistent Help allow for content that is under disclosure
> widget on one page in a set but not another in the same set?
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> For example, the relative order is the same but on one page you must
> expand a section for contacting us and on another page it's in the same
> order but there is no disclosure control - it's just visible.”
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> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2303
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> The SC doesn't mention default visibility, so if it's in the same order I
> think it would pass. I would rather not provide that as an idea for people
> in the understanding doc though!
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> There is another issue about providing more examples for “set of web
> pages”, but that doesn’t impact the SC text.
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> If those seem like reasonable answers, we should be able to CFC this SC
> very soon:
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> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/understanding/consistent-help.html
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> Kind regards,
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> -Alastair
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> @alastc / www.nomensa.com
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