RE: Updating 2.x support materials redesign release

> so is there a conversation about color choice vs. internal consistency of design?

 

Jumping in from the epub side, it would be very helpful to figure out how to deal with accessibility issues in the respec output/organizational styles. We should be fixing issues for all specifications otherwise we break any hope of conformity of appearance/structure.

 

We periodically get issues raised in the epub tracker, but it’s not clear (to me, at least) who should own these or take them forward. For example, it was raised that the permalinks don’t get meaningful labels[1], but this seems to have been manually fixed in the last WCAG REC and I’ve hacked a script together to deal with this for the EPUB specs for now. There was also a question with the normative and informative references and contrast.[2]

 

[1] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1827

[2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1837

 

Matt

 

From: Storr, Francis <francis.storr@intel.com> 
Sent: October 15, 2021 4:40 PM
To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>; Hidde de Vries <hidde@w3.org>
Cc: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Updating 2.x support materials redesign release

 

+1 to Wilco, Patrick, and John.

 

The example pages are 404ing today, so I can’t double check what I remember seeing yesterday, but:

 

1. There seemed to be an issue with focus management when the toggle buttons were “clicked” with a keyboard – focus didn’t stay on the button and Tab had to be pressed to get back to it.
2. Crossing out the text of a button to indicate – I think – it was unselected, was a little confusing.
3. If we do keep a toggle button, could it be one button instead of two?

 

Regarding red and green color choice: I checked some other sites (ACT Rules <https://act-rules.github.io/rules/ff89c9#passed-example-1> , ARIA 1.2 Authoring Practices <https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.2/#no_aria_better_bad_aria> , ePub 3.3 <https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-33/> ) and they use red-ish and green colors for syntax highlighting (although the ePub spec has non-conforming contrast), so is there a conversation about color choice vs. internal consistency of design?

 

Francis

 

From: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca <mailto:john@foliot.ca> >
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 09:12
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Subject: Re: Updating 2.x support materials redesign release
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+1 to Wilco and Patrick's comments.

I'll also note that while the colors being used on those resource appear to be passing the WCAG Color contrast requirements, I'll pose a slightly higher-level question: given that we know that red/green color-blindness is the most prevalent form of color blindness, do we really want to be using red/green 'contrast' like this?


 

Not a hill to die on, but I just find it curious, is all...

 

JF

 

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 8:45 AM Hidde de Vries <hidde@w3.org <mailto:hidde@w3.org> > wrote:

 

On 14 Oct 2021, at 14:21, Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk> > wrote:

 

One probably very subjective comment: really not a fan of the animated/transitioning focus styles. I find them unnecessarily distracting. At a stretch, could they at least be wrapped in a prefers-reduced-motion media query (as otherwise they may potentially/probably fail 2.3.3 Animation from Interactions ?)

 

Hi Patrick,

 

Thanks, I like the idea of wrapping these in prefers-reduced motion. As these are part of the WAI website stylesheet, I have added an issue <https://github.com/w3c/wai-website/issues/271>  in the WAI website repository.

 

Best,

Hidde

 

 

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