Re: Findable help issues

But why does  the definition have to be different?

Do you want a call tonight or sunday and we can try and hash out some
wording.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 12:33 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
wrote:

> HI Lisa,
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> Yes, set of web pages is defined and used by 4 current SCs, the most
> similar is Consistent Navigation. The problem is that "Consistent
> Navigation" (and the others) do not require that navigation be shown on all
> pages in the set, only that where it does show, it must show consistently.
>
> They almost self-define, as if you don’t have the navigation then it isn’t
> the same set. It is only if you do have the navigation and it is in a
> different place that it triggers a fail.
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> Findable Help requires that you know whether a page is in a set, and if
> certain help mechanisms are available, then it should have those available
> consistently across the set.
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> -Alastair
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> *From:* Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 04 February 2021 10:10
> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Cc:* WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>;
> public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Findable help issues
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> Isn't it defined at set-of-web-pagesdef
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/navigation-mechanisms-mult-loc.html#set-of-web-pagesdef> from
> SC *2.4.5
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#navigation-mechanisms-mult-loc> Multiple
> Ways?*
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> I am not sure we can do a better job!
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> Maybe
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> Set a screen that are used to complete a process, such as filling out a
> form or learning about a product
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> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:19 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi Lisa,
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> Sure, the latest version of the SC text and understanding is here:
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> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/understanding/findable-help.html
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> The basic issue here though is that ‘set of web pages’ hasn’t been used in
> this way before. How does a tester (or even the developer!) know whether a
> page belongs to a particular set of web pages.
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>
> Kind regards,
>
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> -Alastair
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> *From:* Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 02 February 2021 14:54
> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Cc:* WCAG list (w3c-wai-gl@w3.org) <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>;
> public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Findable help issues
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>
>
> Hi Alistair
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> Can we have a link to the current wording of the SC?
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> It might make more sense to me then...
>
> All the best
>
> Lisa
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>
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> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:47 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
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>
> Last time we discussed Findable help, there were a couple of issues we
> couldn’t answer:
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> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/01-ag-minutes.html#item03
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> The resolution was to add some examples that try to answer the question.
> In doing so, we should be able to work out if the SC text will be testable.
>
> The problem was that "Consistent Navigation" doesn't require that
> navigation be shown on all pages in the set, only that where it does show,
> it must show consistently.
>
> I think this does put us under a burden of proof to show, either through
> examples or a definition update, how people can consistently identify
> whether any page is part of a set.
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> If that is too difficult, it might be a case for deferment because in
> Silver the person claiming conformance defines the process/task/set.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> -Alastair
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> @alastc / www.nomensa.com
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