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Re: WCAG 2.2 status - Icon Description

From: Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:08:29 +0000
To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
CC: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, WCAG list <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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another example though, but we need clear visual examples where this might be needed, is a (static) magnifying glass next to a text field, (so not part of a button) where on tap & hold a tooltip appears with the text "search", that would be a nice solution (unless you have very thick fingers... 🙂)

But another case is an icon, part of a link inside a list item, where the icon is only used as decorative makeup, and although the content in the link is a label, I don't see a need for this icon to have a need for a description. Also, as the icon is part of a link, this will conflict the action of the link.
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From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 11:23 AM
To: Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.com>
Cc: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>; WCAG list <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: WCAG 2.2 status - Icon Description


Hi Jake,



Tapping on something to find out what it is seems ok to me, but it does seem odd to find out what an interactive icon does only at the point you activate it.



Unless there was some kind of tap & hold to see the tooltip, tap to activate? But then how would someone learn that is how it works? It seems like the kind of thing that wouldn’t help the people who need it.



The hover/focus solutions seem reasonable, would we be prepared to allow for it to work in some devices but not others?



Cheers,



-Alastair





From: "Abma, J.D. (Jake)"





For me, on hover and focus seem fine, on click/tap and enter key not as this is a bit of odd behavior (activate a UIC and then show a tooltip? or clicking on NON interactive elements?)



Previous example was (as I remember) also a modal dialog and the tooltip was hidden under the overlay. At the moment this one still doesn't work on Android phone.



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Also decorative / additional / supportive icons (part of label like content) NOT used as interactive label icons should not per se have tooltips.



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Only the first of an icon, somewhere on the page (not necessary in the same landmark) also doesn't seem to fix the repetitiveness of icons in contrary to how it might work for abbreviations and alike.



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From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:36 AM
To: WCAG list <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Cc: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Subject: WCAG 2.2 status - Icon Description



Hi everyone,



Another SC-specific follow up, this one on Icon Description.



The issue it is trying to solve is how to understand icons that do not have visually associated text labels.



The main theme of the comments/discussion was around how well it works on touch platforms. For example, where an icon is a trigger for a menu, or a link, how would you present a text label? (Which is fine on desktop with a mouse or keyboard focus.)



David did include examples which appear to cover most people’s concerns, but I’m not sure if everyone has had time to consider those?

  *   Example A - A keyboard and mouse operable tooltip that shows on hover and keyboard focus
https://codepen.io/Moiety/pen/LaPvWy

  *   Example B - A keyboard and mouse operable tooltip that shows on click/tap and Enter key
https://codepen.io/dmacd100/pen/eYYBWNK


There are some text-edits/suggestions in the comments, but the main thing is: Do people agree that it would improve the situation for people with disabilities, and that it applies to all content across all websites & technologies?



If you could consider that and please update the Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/icon-desc-acceptance/




Then we’ll know whether to progress.



Kind regards,



-Alastair



Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzSsCGelWfz_Z-M7NyUzJOvl1A1kAStyl8epYdpZhoA/edit#heading=h.u26dvsexm72w


Minutes: https://www.w3.org/2020/01/07-ag-minutes.html#item06




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