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Re: WCAG 2.2 status - Icon Description

From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:23:39 +0000
To: "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.com>
CC: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, WCAG list <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CE0342E4-D53A-414B-8DFE-4A052C62A322@nomensa.com>
Hi Jake,

Tapping on something to find out what it is seems ok to me, but it does seem odd to find out what an interactive icon does only at the point you activate it.

Unless there was some kind of tap & hold to see the tooltip, tap to activate? But then how would someone learn that is how it works? It seems like the kind of thing that wouldn’t help the people who need it.

The hover/focus solutions seem reasonable, would we be prepared to allow for it to work in some devices but not others?



From: "Abma, J.D. (Jake)"

For me, on hover and focus seem fine, on click/tap and enter key not as this is a bit of odd behavior (activate a UIC and then show a tooltip? or clicking on NON interactive elements?)

Previous example was (as I remember) also a modal dialog and the tooltip was hidden under the overlay. At the moment this one still doesn't work on Android phone.


Also decorative / additional / supportive icons (part of label like content) NOT used as interactive label icons should not per se have tooltips.


Only the first of an icon, somewhere on the page (not necessary in the same landmark) also doesn't seem to fix the repetitiveness of icons in contrary to how it might work for abbreviations and alike.

From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:36 AM
To: WCAG list <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Cc: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Subject: WCAG 2.2 status - Icon Description

Hi everyone,

Another SC-specific follow up, this one on Icon Description.

The issue it is trying to solve is how to understand icons that do not have visually associated text labels.

The main theme of the comments/discussion was around how well it works on touch platforms. For example, where an icon is a trigger for a menu, or a link, how would you present a text label? (Which is fine on desktop with a mouse or keyboard focus.)

David did include examples which appear to cover most people’s concerns, but I’m not sure if everyone has had time to consider those?

  *   Example A - A keyboard and mouse operable tooltip that shows on hover and keyboard focus

  *   Example B - A keyboard and mouse operable tooltip that shows on click/tap and Enter key

There are some text-edits/suggestions in the comments, but the main thing is: Do people agree that it would improve the situation for people with disabilities, and that it applies to all content across all websites & technologies?

If you could consider that and please update the Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/icon-desc-acceptance/

Then we’ll know whether to progress.

Kind regards,


Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzSsCGelWfz_Z-M7NyUzJOvl1A1kAStyl8epYdpZhoA/edit#heading=h.u26dvsexm72w

Minutes: https://www.w3.org/2020/01/07-ag-minutes.html#item06



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