Re: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order

Brooks, it sounds like you are describing a non-modal dialog rather than a modal dialog.

For a model the navigation would go from the browser chrome to the modal and back to the browser and the same in reverse, never getting to the page.

For a non-modal, I believe it would do the same.



Andrew Kirkpatrick

Head of Accessibility


´╗┐On 5/29/20, 12:33 PM, "Newton, Brooks (TR Product)" <> wrote:


    What about in the event of a survey modal popping up on its own.  Maybe I'll encounter this modal window content and its associated stops in the focus order on the way forward through the page.  But, on the way backward through the page using Shift+Tab, I'll probably not have that pop-up survey modal in the focus order.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Katherine Eng <> 
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    Subject: RE: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order

    The first line of my response was removed. It was

    -1: no

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Katherine Eng <> 
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    If forward "navigation sequences affect meaning", going backward would mean the meaning would be lost. I wouldn't expect a page with meaningful forward focus order to preserve the meaning when navigated backwards. 

    If going forward and backward do not affect meaning, then 2.4.3 would not apply.


    Kathy Eng

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bruce Bailey <> 
    Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 11:46 AM
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    Subject: Question about SC 2.4.3 Focus Order

    Fellow AG'lers, I am asking that you indulge me in a quick straw poll:  Does SC 2.4.3 Focus Order include backwards navigation?

    +1:  yes, of course
    0:  not sure / maybe
    -1:  no, of course not

    FWIW, the associated Understanding Doc has a contradiction between the third paragraph of Intent and the first example provide.  I will be filling an issue (and, hopefully, following up with a pull request) about that, but really I first need a sense of the group consensus before that can happen.

    Follows is 2.4.3 and the relevant affiliated definition.

    Success Criterion 2.4.3 Focus Order (Level A):  If a Web page can be navigated sequentially and the navigation sequences affect meaning or operation, focusable components receive focus in an order that preserves meaning and operability.

    navigated sequentially:  navigated in the order defined for advancing focus (from one element to the next) using a keyboard interface;;sdata=JnERyH%2FW0g0YXVcQU7fBH3%2B8KEt1gIStwHqINNaVatA%3D&amp;reserved=0;;sdata=meX31TxY%2FnHpQlSku%2FHOoppfWIH%2FEj8AjyEaqcXCLuY%3D&amp;reserved=0;;sdata=KgTUW591e5NthFTEyBRLWwhwxa15dR76J6i1FqTYzEg%3D&amp;reserved=0

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