Re: CFC - Add Dragging SC to WCAG 2.2 draft

Hey Alastair,
I can't tell if the definition of "device motion" was there during the last
survey and I missed it, or if it was added based on the survey feedback.
It's way at the bottom of the document and there is no indicator that there
might be a definition, I can see how I could have missed that. It's a while
ago so I can't say with certainty if I reviewed it. Either way, my comments
on the survey were related to the meaning of "device motion". I had
questions about it at the time, and I still do.

The minutes you linked to have "RESOLUTION: Leave open" on them. The most
recent minutes I can find on dragging was March 24th
<https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-dragging/results>. My feedback
in the survey doesn't seem to have been discussed during that call. It has
"RESOLUTION: Include in the WCAG 2.2 draft, after understanding &
techniques reviewed". Can you clarify when that review happened?

W


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:50 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
wrote:

> Hi Glenda,
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> The last meeting we had on this was after the survey comments, and we
> believe (on the calls) they had all been addressed at that point.
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> We’ll see what Wilco says on the latest comments, but (for example) his
> comments from the survey were addressed and discussed in the calls. Those
> change have been there since mid-February, and it was discussed again in
> March (24th).
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> If there is something not addressed or discussed in the calls, please do
> point to that.
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> Cheers,
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> -Alastair
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> *From:* Glenda Sims
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> Alastair et al,
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> I have closely reviewed Wilco's questions and have those same questions
> myself.  In looking at the survey, I see similar concerns.  So, I believe
> these questions should be addressed before we advance.
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> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:48 AM Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
> wrote:
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> Hey Alastair,
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> I have a few questions I wanted to raise,
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> - In this definition of "dragging movement", does "target" refer to
> "target" as defined in WCAG 2.1. If so, should it be linked to the target
> definition? And if not, why was the same word used here? Seems that might
> be confusing, especially since both uses are related to pointer events.
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> - Also in "dragging movement", what is "directionality at the onset of the
> movement"? Was that added because of my comment on swiping? If so, I don't
> think that actually excludes swiping.
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> - Was the intent not to include dragging motions where instead of moving
> the "target" along with the pointer, some other UI indicator was used? For
> example some games when you drag something around will draw an arrow from
> the target to the drop position. The definition of "dragging movement"
> seems to exclude those kinds of drag and drop actions.
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> Kind regards,
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> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
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> Call For Consensus — ends Friday May 1st at 12pm (midday) Boston time.
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> The Working Group has discussed the new Success Criteria for WCAG 2.2:
> Dragging.
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> The Pull Request in github shows the new SC (in the understanding
> document), and includes links to preview the understanding document, and
> the techniques:
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> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/1113
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> This was discussed via a survey:
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> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-dragging/results
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> And the last call was:
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> https://www.w3.org/2020/02/18-ag-minutes.html#item04
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> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not
> been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not
> being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before
> the CfC deadline.
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> Kind regards,
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> -Alastair
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> *Wilco Fiers*
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