RE: Collections of web pages

While I agree you can have a set of documents and that is how the WCAG to non-web ICT addresses it –from a user perspective there isn’t much of a difference in needing a table contents in a set of document from the need of a table of contents in a document that is not a set.  That is we can change the language of PDF 2 and 9 to reference sets of documents – but it just seems like a technicality of the standard and the benefits could be equally important within any PDF document.

Jonathan

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Agree with Peter. If I created a PDF portfolio comprised of several PDF documents in one PDF wrapper, or published a set of PDF documents in a web directory then that would be a “set”

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Alastair, all,

Just a reminder, WCAG2ICT tackled this problem for non-web documents & non-web programs, and that approach may be helpful.

See set of documents (non-web) (as used in WCAG2ICT)<https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#keyterms_set-of-documents> and set of software programs (as used in WCAG2ICT).<https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#keyterms_set-of-software>

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Hi Andrew, Bruce & everyone,

During the discussion of two criteria (at least), the concept of “set of web pages” came up as a key point.


·         Findable help: Including ‘set of web pages’ helps to scope-out the very simple one-page websites and PDFs that are less likely to have human contact details.


·         Fixed reference points: It says “a web page or set of web pages" so that it covers ePub and non-ePub files .

Andrew mentioned that long PDFs could be considered a ‘set of web pages’, and that some PDFs techniques mention that.

As far as I can tell from our definition for a web page<https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#dfn-web-page-s> and set of web pages<https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#dfn-set-of-web-pages>, all of these would be considered a ‘web page’ as they are located at a single URI:

·         A PDF;

·         An ePub document;

·         A ‘single page app’, unless it adjusts the URI & browser history to appear to have multiple pages.

I can’t see a reference to ‘set of web pages’ in the PDF techniques<https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/pdf#PDF2>, the closest is PDF2 but that doesn’t seem to reference the definition directly.

Can anyone see an issue with the uses of “set of web pages” in these two SCs?

Kind regards,

-Alastair

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