Re: 4.1.1 depreciation discussion

Hi Andrew

I'm fine with a group discussion.  If others want to champion its removal
I'm fine with that also. If there was broad consensus to remove it I would
join the consensus.

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On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:33 PM Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks for keeping this on your radar, but I don’t think that we can make
> decisions based on twitter polls. We don’t need to ignore that either, but
> I don’t think that your twitter poll question really captures any criteria
> for why it would be removed and asking people whether they agree with that,
> it just asks “what do you think?”.
>
>
>
> I don’t know if we will remove it or not, the group needs to discuss it.
> The core of the argument is that if 4.1.1 doesn’t do anything that isn’t
> covered by other SC, we can get rid of it. The WG needs to have a
> discussion regarding if 4.1.1 identifies any issues that impact users that
> aren’t caught elsewhere and then discuss what to do with that.
>
>
>
> So, from my perspective, the proposal to discuss 4.1.1 in the group should
> remain, but until the working group does so it is still just a proposal.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> AWK
>
>
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>
> Head of Accessibility
>
> Adobe
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>
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> akirkpat@adobe.com
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> http://twitter.com/awkawk
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>
>
> *From: *David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> *Date: *Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 1:51 AM
> *To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, WCAG Editors <team-wcag-editors@w3.org>
> *Subject: *4.1.1 depreciation discussion
> *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 1:50 AM
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
>
>
> Congratulations to all who made the long trip to Japan and those who
> stayed up to attend online... I  hope that everyone from North America gets
> a quick restoration of their circadian rhythms.
>
>
>
> I had proposed to remove 4.1.1 and point to 1.3.1 and 4.1.2 to cover the
> same issues.  Wilco researched it and it got a good airing on Github.
>
> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/770
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>
>
> I also tweeted out a survey.
> https://twitter.com/davidmacd/status/1172603177654530054
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>
>
> It appears form both the Github thread and the survey, that support to
> remove it is around 48% on 33 votes, and 52% for keeping it.
>
>
>
> I think based on the Github discussion, this survey,and emails, that I
> should withdraw the proposal, because historically, new actions on the
> standard should have broad support, not moderate support.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
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