Re: 4.1.1 depreciation discussion

David,
Thanks for keeping this on your radar, but I don’t think that we can make decisions based on twitter polls. We don’t need to ignore that either, but I don’t think that your twitter poll question really captures any criteria for why it would be removed and asking people whether they agree with that, it just asks “what do you think?”.

I don’t know if we will remove it or not, the group needs to discuss it. The core of the argument is that if 4.1.1 doesn’t do anything that isn’t covered by other SC, we can get rid of it. The WG needs to have a discussion regarding if 4.1.1 identifies any issues that impact users that aren’t caught elsewhere and then discuss what to do with that.

So, from my perspective, the proposal to discuss 4.1.1 in the group should remain, but until the working group does so it is still just a proposal.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Head of Accessibility
Adobe

akirkpat@adobe.com
http://twitter.com/awkawk


From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 1:51 AM
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, WCAG Editors <team-wcag-editors@w3.org>
Subject: 4.1.1 depreciation discussion
Resent-From: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 1:50 AM

Hi All

Congratulations to all who made the long trip to Japan and those who stayed up to attend online... I  hope that everyone from North America gets a quick restoration of their circadian rhythms.

I had proposed to remove 4.1.1 and point to 1.3.1 and 4.1.2 to cover the same issues.  Wilco researched it and it got a good airing on Github.
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/770


I also tweeted out a survey. https://twitter.com/davidmacd/status/1172603177654530054


It appears form both the Github thread and the survey, that support to remove it is around 48% on 33 votes, and 52% for keeping it.

I think based on the Github discussion, this survey,and emails, that I should withdraw the proposal, because historically, new actions on the standard should have broad support, not moderate support.


Cheers,
David MacDonald



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