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RE: CFC - Decision to keep 1.3.4 where it is

From: Bailey, Bruce <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:26:11 +0000
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
CC: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>, Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
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-1 to keeping 1.3.4 to keep where it is.

Glenda makes a good argument below about where we are heading, but IMHO that is not sufficient given what we have for the CR.  And yes, I am one of the people fixated on the term ‘inputs’ in the SC text.

+1 to Michael Gower suggestion that we make an attempt at a better analysis of SC classifications in general.

I will add a comment to that GitHub thread.

From: Alastair Campbell [mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 1:30 PM
To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: RE: CFC - Decision to keep 1.3.4 where it is


Chair hat off:
+1 to Glenda’s comments. People seem to be fixating on the term ‘inputs’ in the SC text.
There is no perfect placement, but I’m guided by the intent (and path for future updates) that is about adapting elements of the page.
When I read the SCs in 3.3, none of them are about code-level elements or metadata, they are about text or language used on the page.

From: Glenda Sims

+1 keep it where it is.

1.3.4 Identify Common Purpose originally started out to identify the common purpose of more than just input fields.  But at this point...y'all are only willing to try this for "input fields".  The fact that we are leveraging autofill as the metadata (that has a side effect of entering data) is a bonus situation.  When the next piece comes in (Identify Common Controls) this won't just be about input assistance at all..it is about helping people find common things (recognize common things on web pages).

Remember where we are headed.  Review the list of items that I predict will come in next (hopefully in WCAG 2.1).  https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-WCAG21-20171207/#commonpurposes<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2017%2FWD-WCAG21-20171207%2F%23commonpurposes&data=02%7C01%7Cbailey%40access-board.gov%7Cb3fe7c459d8544d51de908d58a9ac606%7Cfc6093f5e55e4f93b2cf26d0822201c9%7C0%7C0%7C636567319838709888&sdata=3LcH7VO5sDQNCT2%2B5XpN6BtnASZMHi1kZ1U5ri7W%2FtE%3D&reserved=0>  including "Table of Contents", "Next",  "Previous", "Sign out", "Contact Us".

How much time do we all spend looking for things like how to log off and where is that dang contact us link...and what did they name it on this site.

I repeat...the "autofill" side effect is a bonus.  The real intent of this SC is to provide reliable meta-data for Coga AT to be able to help a person FIND/RECOGNIZE these things.

peace out,

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On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> wrote:
Call For Consensus — ends Monday March 19th at 11:00am Boston time.

The Working Group has discussed a change which would move SC 1.3.4 Identify Common Controls to Guideline 3.3. This CFC is to evaluate the apparent consensus to not move the SC. On the WG call there was a lower level of support to move the SC than to not move it.

Call minutes: https://www.w3.org/2018/03/13-ag-minutes.html#item02<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F03%2F13-ag-minutes.html%23item02&data=02%7C01%7Cbailey%40access-board.gov%7Cb3fe7c459d8544d51de908d58a9ac606%7Cfc6093f5e55e4f93b2cf26d0822201c9%7C0%7C0%7C636567319838709888&sdata=2F6V1xoBWtIgxrW3LjhH5oFCC0S4TlNNJ51K0QZZ4FQ%3D&reserved=0>

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.


Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility


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