- From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:18:37 -0500
- To: Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
- Cc: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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fine with me Cheers, David MacDonald *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* Tel: 613.235.4902 LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> twitter.com/davidmacd GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> * Adapting the web to all users* * Including those with disabilities* If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 to Detlevs suggested text > > On Jan 6, 2018 2:41 PM, "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote: > >> I don’t mind either way, as long as one of the solutions (or an >> equivalent) is chosen. >> >> >> >> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com] >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 6, 2018 2:03 PM >> *To:* White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; Detlev Fischer < >> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> >> *Cc:* James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for >> 1.4.13 >> >> >> >> I’d rather go back to my version with the redundant reference to >> “additional content” than deal with a new definition for this. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> AWK >> >> >> >> Andrew Kirkpatrick >> >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility >> >> Adobe >> >> >> >> akirkpat@adobe.com >> >> http://twitter.com/awkawk >> >> >> >> *From: *"White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org> >> *Date: *Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 13:51 >> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Detlev Fischer < >> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> >> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >> *Subject: *RE: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for >> 1.4.13 >> >> >> >> It probably needs a definition of “author-controlled content”, since it >> could be interpreted as implying, for example, that an HTML TITLE attribute >> is author-controlled, as its text is provided by the author. >> >> >> >> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com >> <akirkpat@adobe.com>] >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:22 PM >> *To:* Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> >> *Cc:* James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for >> 1.4.13 >> >> >> >> I’m ok with that. Others? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> AWK >> >> >> >> Andrew Kirkpatrick >> >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility >> >> Adobe >> >> >> >> akirkpat@adobe.com >> >> http://twitter.com/awkawk >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cdbf2bad8a1574e362fbe08d5553677e7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636508614835735780&sdata=4EaVsDv6kFXH2AytWvWoMbg4BQpVaFiVjEcinHJd8uo%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> *From: *Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> >> *Date: *Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 01:57 >> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> >> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >> *Subject: *Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for >> 1.4.13 >> >> >> >> I think the repetition of "additional content" makes this latest proposal >> clumsier than necessary. This wording might be equally clear: >> >> >> >> "When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers the appearance of >> additional author-controlled content, the following are true:” >> >> >> >> Detlev >> >> >> >> On 6 Jan 2018, at 04:15, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I think that this makes it more clear and avoids pedantic grammatical >> debate: >> >> >> >> When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content and the >> appearance of the additional content is controlled by the author, the >> following are true: >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> AWK >> >> >> >> Andrew Kirkpatrick >> >> Group Product Manager, Accessibility >> >> Adobe >> >> >> >> akirkpat@adobe.com >> >> http://twitter.com/awkawk >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ca27106a979064fcf664508d554d2b286%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636508186299599532&sdata=yjyvUI8mUWsG%2BpxKouD8bA4V%2B0fqm8vxGYX%2FaQ3x2wQ%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> *From: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com> >> *Organization: *Oracle Corporation >> *Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 19:51 >> *To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >> *Subject: *Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for >> 1.4.13 >> *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >> *Resent-Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 19:49 >> >> >> >> Re: issue 609 >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F609&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ccb8337a7147c4d85879108d5549f9525%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636507966733660618&sdata=aTAV8Rru%2BZKRdfW6VT1PB%2FMRjWNA8w7UqHoO3Q3KNH0%3D&reserved=0> >> - can we use which here? >> >> >> >> On 1/5/2018 4:17 PM, White, Jason J wrote: >> >> I think C is the most accurate. B can be read as asserting that the >> additional content (not its appearance) is controlled by the author, which >> is always true. >> >> >> >> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com >> <akirkpat@adobe.com>] >> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 6:46 PM >> *To:* Alex Li (CELA) <alli@microsoft.com> <alli@microsoft.com>; WCAG >> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for >> 1.4.13 >> >> >> >> Thanks Alex! >> >> >> >> Other options: >> >> >> >> B: When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers @@the@@ appearance of >> additional content @@which@@ is @@controlled@@ by the author, the >> following are true: >> >> >> >> C: When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content, >> @@the@@ appearance of @@which@@ is @@controlled@@ by the author, the >> following are true: >> >> >> >> I think that by making this an affirmative condition for author >> involvement, we don’t need to worry about the “not controlled by the UA” >> part. 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