Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for 1.4.13

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On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 to Detlevs suggested text
>
> On Jan 6, 2018 2:41 PM, "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:
>
>> I don’t mind either way, as long as one of the solutions (or an
>> equivalent) is chosen.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 6, 2018 2:03 PM
>> *To:* White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; Detlev Fischer <
>> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
>> *Cc:* James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
>> 1.4.13
>>
>>
>>
>> I’d rather go back to my version with the redundant reference to
>> “additional content” than deal with a new definition for this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
>> *Date: *Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 13:51
>> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Detlev Fischer <
>> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
>> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
>> 1.4.13
>>
>>
>>
>> It probably needs a definition of “author-controlled content”, since it
>> could be interpreted as implying, for example, that an HTML TITLE attribute
>> is author-controlled, as its text is provided by the author.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com
>> <akirkpat@adobe.com>]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:22 PM
>> *To:* Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
>> *Cc:* James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
>> 1.4.13
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m ok with that. Others?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Cdbf2bad8a1574e362fbe08d5553677e7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636508614835735780&sdata=4EaVsDv6kFXH2AytWvWoMbg4BQpVaFiVjEcinHJd8uo%3D&reserved=0>
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>> *From: *Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
>> *Date: *Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 01:57
>> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
>> 1.4.13
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the repetition of "additional content" makes this latest proposal
>> clumsier than necessary. This wording might be equally clear:
>>
>>
>>
>> "When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers the appearance of
>> additional author-controlled content, the following are true:”
>>
>>
>>
>> Detlev
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 Jan 2018, at 04:15, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that this makes it more clear and avoids pedantic grammatical
>> debate:
>>
>>
>>
>> When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content and the
>> appearance of the additional content is controlled by the author, the
>> following are true:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
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>> *From: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
>> *Organization: *Oracle Corporation
>> *Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 19:51
>> *To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
>> 1.4.13
>> *Resent-From: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Resent-Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 19:49
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: issue 609
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag21%2Fissues%2F609&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7Ccb8337a7147c4d85879108d5549f9525%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636507966733660618&sdata=aTAV8Rru%2BZKRdfW6VT1PB%2FMRjWNA8w7UqHoO3Q3KNH0%3D&reserved=0>
>>  - can we use which here?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2018 4:17 PM, White, Jason J wrote:
>>
>> I think C is the most accurate. B can be read as asserting that the
>> additional content (not its appearance) is controlled by the author, which
>> is always true.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com
>> <akirkpat@adobe.com>]
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 6:46 PM
>> *To:* Alex Li (CELA) <alli@microsoft.com> <alli@microsoft.com>; WCAG
>> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
>> 1.4.13
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Alex!
>>
>>
>>
>> Other options:
>>
>>
>>
>> B: When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers @@the@@ appearance of
>> additional content @@which@@ is @@controlled@@ by the author, the
>> following are true:
>>
>>
>>
>> C: When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content,
>> @@the@@ appearance of @@which@@ is @@controlled@@ by the author, the
>> following are true:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that by making this an affirmative condition for author
>> involvement, we don’t need to worry about the “not controlled by the UA”
>> part. The appearance is controlled by the author or it isn’t.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here’s my proposal:
>>
>>
>>
>> Original SC text: “When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers
>> additional content to become visible, the following are true:”
>>
>> Original exception text: “Exception: The visual presentation of the
>> additional content is controlled by the user agent and is not modified by
>> the author.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Proposed SC text: “When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers
>> appearance of additional content that is modified by the author and not
>> controlled by the user agent, the following are true:”
>>
>>
>>
>> All best,
>>
>> Alex Li
>>
>> Corporate Standards Group
>>
>> Corporate, External, and Legal Affairs, Microsoft
>>
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