RE: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for 1.4.13

+1 to Detlevs suggested text

On Jan 6, 2018 2:41 PM, "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:

> I don’t mind either way, as long as one of the solutions (or an
> equivalent) is chosen.
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> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 6, 2018 2:03 PM
> *To:* White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; Detlev Fischer <
> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
> *Cc:* James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
> 1.4.13
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> I’d rather go back to my version with the redundant reference to
> “additional content” than deal with a new definition for this.
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> Thanks,
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> AWK
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> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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> Adobe
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> *From: *"White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
> *Date: *Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 13:51
> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Detlev Fischer <
> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
> 1.4.13
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> It probably needs a definition of “author-controlled content”, since it
> could be interpreted as implying, for example, that an HTML TITLE attribute
> is author-controlled, as its text is provided by the author.
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> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com <akirkpat@adobe.com>]
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> *Sent:* Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:22 PM
> *To:* Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
> *Cc:* James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
> 1.4.13
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> I’m ok with that. Others?
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> Thanks,
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> AWK
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> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> *From: *Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
> *Date: *Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 01:57
> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
> 1.4.13
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> I think the repetition of "additional content" makes this latest proposal
> clumsier than necessary. This wording might be equally clear:
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> "When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers the appearance of
> additional author-controlled content, the following are true:”
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> Detlev
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> On 6 Jan 2018, at 04:15, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
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> I think that this makes it more clear and avoids pedantic grammatical
> debate:
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> When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content and the
> appearance of the additional content is controlled by the author, the
> following are true:
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> Thanks,
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> AWK
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> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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> *From: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
> *Organization: *Oracle Corporation
> *Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 19:51
> *To: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
> 1.4.13
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> *Resent-Date: *Friday, January 5, 2018 at 19:49
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> Re: issue 609
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>  - can we use which here?
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> On 1/5/2018 4:17 PM, White, Jason J wrote:
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> I think C is the most accurate. B can be read as asserting that the
> additional content (not its appearance) is controlled by the author, which
> is always true.
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> *From:* Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 6:46 PM
> *To:* Alex Li (CELA) <alli@microsoft.com> <alli@microsoft.com>; WCAG
> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: editorial to incorporate exception into main SC text for
> 1.4.13
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> Thanks Alex!
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> Other options:
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> B: When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers @@the@@ appearance of
> additional content @@which@@ is @@controlled@@ by the author, the
> following are true:
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> C: When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content, @@the@@
> appearance of @@which@@ is @@controlled@@ by the author, the following
> are true:
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> I think that by making this an affirmative condition for author
> involvement, we don’t need to worry about the “not controlled by the UA”
> part. The appearance is controlled by the author or it isn’t.
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> Thoughts?
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> AWK
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> Hi all,
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> Here’s my proposal:
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> Original SC text: “When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers
> additional content to become visible, the following are true:”
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> Original exception text: “Exception: The visual presentation of the
> additional content is controlled by the user agent and is not modified by
> the author.”
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> Proposed SC text: “When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers
> appearance of additional content that is modified by the author and not
> controlled by the user agent, the following are true:”
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> All best,
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> Alex Li
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