Hi Jason, If the spacing parameters supplied by the author already meets or exceeds the SC's specified metrics, the content passes the test using the bookmarklet. Best Regards, Laura On 11/16/17, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote: > I remain concerned that David's proposal doesn't address Andrew's case in > which no "change" is necessary, because the content already meets the four > requirements listed in the SC. I suppose one could say that there's a > trivial null transformation involved (i.e., no change could still be treated > as a "change"), which is however counter-intuitive and a very subtle - > indeed dubious - interpretation of the text. > > I'm leaning toward saying, no, I can't live with David's revert. > > Perhaps "ensuring all of the following" would be better, where "ensuring" > includes either changing or leaving alone if the author has already met the > specified thresholds. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:05 AM >> To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> >> Cc: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; David >> MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com>; Alastair Campbell >> <acampbell@nomensa.com> >> Subject: Re: Revert Adapting text language replacing "adapt" with >> "change" >> >> Hi Andrew, >> >> Text at the end of our November 13, 2017 meeting: >> >> "If the technologies being used allow the user agent to change text style >> properties, the following can be achieved with no loss of essential >> content or >> functionality: >> * the 4 things >> >> David's proposed revert [5]: >> >> "If the technologies being used allow the user agent to change text style >> properties, then no loss of essential content or functionality occurs by >> changing >> all of the following:" >> * the 4 things >> >> Thank you. >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Laura >> >> [5] >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.o >> rg%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai- >> gl%2F2017OctDec%2F0368.html&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C700 >> b333d209b412a9c1a08d52d03766a%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65% >> 7C0%7C0%7C636464415244080402&sdata=696nDSdTQHKxkuSw3lWGUqVOSX6 >> eR8l86ZDq3Vgw47Q%3D&reserved=0 >> >> On 11/16/17, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote: >> > Laura, >> > I’m sure that the options were clearly laid out somewhere in the >> > thread, but I don’t have time to find it. Can you clearly lay out >> > “before” and “proposed” options? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > AWK >> > >> > Andrew Kirkpatrick >> > Group Product Manager, Accessibility >> > Adobe >> > >> > akirkpat@adobe.com >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitte >> > >> r.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C700b333d209b412 >> a9c1a >> > >> 08d52d03766a%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C63646 >> 4415244 >> > >> 080402&sdata=kszdaxRJsWVstas19rZOJnWmR3UB7bdcevZEcLFajJg%3D&reserv >> ed=0 >> > >> > On 11/16/17, 09:56, "Laura Carlson" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > I wrote: >> > > Andrew, Jason, and everyone else, can you live with reverting the >> > > adapting text language by replacing "adapt" with "change" as >> > David >> > > suggested? [5] >> > >> > Please let me rephrase that. >> > >> > After reviewing the video demonstration, draft technique, and test >> > results can anyone not live with reverting the adapting text >> > language >> > by replacing "adapt" with "change" to what David suggested? >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > Best Regards, >> > Laura >> > >> > On 11/15/17, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > Hello Andrew, Jason, and all, >> > > >> > > Andrew wrote [1]: >> > >> It would help me to understand exactly what steps you envision >> > a user >> > >> would need to >> > >> follow to achieve the following four items, and provide an >> > example page >> > >> that shows >> > >> this working as you envision it. >> > > >> > > Alastair provided a video demonstration of what a person would >> > need to >> > > do to test for the four items on the BBC and Adobe homepages.[2] >> > Thank >> > > you, Alastair! >> > > >> > > For that step-by-step process in text, please check our draft >> > > technique "Allowing for Spacing Override". [3] >> > > >> > > For results of the testing that we completed using that >> > step-by-step >> > > procedure, please check the "Results of Bookmarklet Tests for >> > Issue >> > > 78".[4] Between July 25 and August 3, 2017, 67 pages were tested. >> > If >> > > the spacing parameters supplied by the author already meets or >> > exceeds >> > > the SC's specified metrics, the content passes the test using the >> > > bookmarklet. >> > > >> > > Does the video demonstration, draft technique, and test results >> > > provide the clarity needed? >> > > >> > > Andrew, Jason, and everyone else, can you live with reverting the >> > > adapting text language by replacing "adapt" with "change" as >> > David >> > > suggested? [5] >> > > >> > > Thank you. >> > > >> > > Kindest Regards, >> > > Laura >> > > >> > > [1] >> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.o >> rg%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai- >> gl%2F2017OctDec%2F0370.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca5e5bb7503ee418633 >> a508d52d023100%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636 >> 464409791358570&sdata=DIMiABzs3Pd1HEAQZI5t%2FQxTAeaXeqyT%2FCwpbB >> %2FNnZE%3D&reserved=0 >> > > [2] >> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.o >> rg%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai- >> gl%2F2017OctDec%2F0373.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca5e5bb7503ee418633 >> a508d52d023100%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636 >> 464409791358570&sdata=03fGYgLdaQfwsqHHd0EmAIZloK5iSz3E%2B3NWWLN >> 3QEY%3D&reserved=0 >> > > [3] >> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3. >> org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Fwiki%2FAllowing_for_Spacing_Override&data=02%7C01 >> %7C%7Ca5e5bb7503ee418633a508d52d023100%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c >> 178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636464409791358570&sdata=NejhMNltxv0VwBtv1jIK >> s90MuWL39OtfN21DaTPf3X8%3D&reserved=0 >> > > [4] >> > > >> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3. >> org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Fwiki%2FResults_of_Bookmarklet_Tests_for_Issue_78&da >> ta=02%7C01%7C%7Ca5e5bb7503ee418633a508d52d023100%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34 >> 438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636464409791358570&sdata=tc9Wjhg3 >> 1KL11sE1TGIKLkx7ghxQtbgnkWbqS3Clcmg%3D&reserved=0 >> > > [5] >> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.o >> rg%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai- >> gl%2F2017OctDec%2F0368.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca5e5bb7503ee418633 >> a508d52d023100%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636 >> 464409791358570&sdata=hNH%2BJRMlEOz9uzbU8JpGlnmg49MxnU8n19Y0JRd >> Grp4%3D&reserved=0 >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Laura L. 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