RE: Revert Adapting text language replacing "adapt" with "change"

That's fine, but it needs to satisfy the requirement asserted in the text of the SC, not just the bookmarklet, hence my objection to the proposed revert.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:58 AM
> To: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>
> Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>;
> David MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com>; Alastair Campbell
> <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> Subject: Re: Revert Adapting text language replacing "adapt" with "change"
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> If the spacing parameters supplied by the author already meets or exceeds the
> SC's specified metrics, the content passes the test using the bookmarklet.
>
> Best Regards,
> Laura
>
> On 11/16/17, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:
> > I remain concerned that David's proposal doesn't address Andrew's case
> > in which no "change" is necessary, because the content already meets
> > the four requirements listed in the SC. I suppose one could say that
> > there's a trivial null transformation involved (i.e., no change could
> > still be treated as a "change"), which is however counter-intuitive
> > and a very subtle - indeed dubious - interpretation of the text.
> >
> > I'm leaning toward saying, no, I can't live with David's revert.
> >
> > Perhaps "ensuring all of the following" would be better, where "ensuring"
> > includes either changing or leaving alone if the author has already
> > met the specified thresholds.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:05 AM
> >> To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> >> Cc: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; David
> >> MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com>; Alastair Campbell
> >> <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Revert Adapting text language replacing "adapt" with
> >> "change"
> >>
> >> Hi Andrew,
> >>
> >> Text at the end of our November 13, 2017 meeting:
> >>
> >> "If the technologies being used allow the user agent to change text
> >> style properties, the following can be achieved with no loss of
> >> essential content or
> >> functionality:
> >> * the 4 things
> >>
> >> David's proposed revert [5]:
> >>
> >> "If the technologies being used allow the user agent to change text
> >> style properties, then no loss of essential content or functionality
> >> occurs by changing all of the following:"
> >> * the 4 things
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Kindest Regards,
> >> Laura
> >>
> >> [5]
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist

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> >>
> >> On 11/16/17, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
> >> > Laura,
> >> > I’m sure that the options were clearly laid out somewhere in the
> >> > thread, but I don’t have time to find it. Can you clearly lay out
> >> > “before” and “proposed” options?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > AWK
> >> >
> >> > Andrew Kirkpatrick
> >> > Group Product Manager, Accessibility Adobe
> >> >
> >> > akirkpat@adobe.com
> >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwi

> >> > tte
> >> >
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> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > On 11/16/17, 09:56, "Laura Carlson" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >     Hello everyone,
> >> >
> >> >     I wrote:
> >> >     > Andrew, Jason, and everyone else, can you live with reverting the
> >> >     > adapting text language by replacing "adapt" with "change" as
> >> > David
> >> >     > suggested? [5]
> >> >
> >> >     Please let me rephrase that.
> >> >
> >> >     After reviewing the video demonstration, draft technique, and test
> >> >     results can anyone not live with reverting the adapting text
> >> > language
> >> >     by replacing "adapt" with "change" to what David suggested?
> >> >
> >> >     Thank you.
> >> >
> >> >     Best Regards,
> >> >     Laura
> >> >
> >> >     On 11/15/17, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >     > Hello Andrew, Jason, and all,
> >> >     >
> >> >     > Andrew wrote [1]:
> >> >     >> It would help me to understand exactly what steps you
> >> > envision a user
> >> >     >> would need to
> >> >     >> follow to achieve the following four items, and provide an
> >> > example page
> >> >     >> that shows
> >> >     >> this working as you envision it.
> >> >     >
> >> >     > Alastair provided a video demonstration of what a person
> >> > would need to
> >> >     > do to test for the four items on the BBC and Adobe
> >> > homepages.[2] Thank
> >> >     > you, Alastair!
> >> >     >
> >> >     > For that step-by-step process in text, please check our draft
> >> >     > technique "Allowing for Spacing Override". [3]
> >> >     >
> >> >     > For results of the testing that we completed using that
> >> > step-by-step
> >> >     > procedure, please check the "Results of Bookmarklet Tests for
> >> > Issue
> >> >     > 78".[4] Between July 25 and August 3, 2017, 67 pages were tested.
> >> > If
> >> >     > the spacing parameters supplied by the author already meets
> >> > or exceeds
> >> >     > the SC's specified metrics, the content passes the test using the
> >> >     > bookmarklet.
> >> >     >
> >> >     > Does the video demonstration, draft technique, and test results
> >> >     > provide the clarity needed?
> >> >     >
> >> >     > Andrew, Jason, and everyone else, can you live with reverting the
> >> >     > adapting text language by replacing "adapt" with "change" as
> >> > David
> >> >     > suggested? [5]
> >> >     >
> >> >     > Thank you.
> >> >     >
> >> >     > Kindest Regards,
> >> >     > Laura
> >> >     >
> >> >     > [1]
> >> >
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> >> >     > --
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> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
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