RE: Revert Adapting text language replacing "adapt" with "change"

I remain concerned that David's proposal doesn't address Andrew's case in which no "change" is necessary, because the content already meets the four requirements listed in the SC. I suppose one could say that there's a trivial null transformation involved (i.e., no change could still be treated as a "change"), which is however counter-intuitive and a very subtle - indeed dubious - interpretation of the text.

I'm leaning toward saying, no, I can't live with David's revert.

Perhaps "ensuring all of the following" would be better, where "ensuring" includes either changing or leaving alone if the author has already met the specified thresholds.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:05 AM
> To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> Cc: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; David
> MacDonald <david@can-adapt.com>; Alastair Campbell
> <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> Subject: Re: Revert Adapting text language replacing "adapt" with "change"
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Text at the end of our November 13, 2017 meeting:
>
> "If the technologies being used allow the user agent to change text style
> properties, the following can be achieved with no loss of essential content or
> functionality:
> * the 4 things
>
> David's proposed revert [5]:
>
> "If the technologies being used allow the user agent to change text style
> properties, then no loss of essential content or functionality occurs by changing
> all of the following:"
> * the 4 things
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
>
> [5]
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> On 11/16/17, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
> > Laura,
> > I’m sure that the options were clearly laid out somewhere in the
> > thread, but I don’t have time to find it. Can you clearly lay out
> > “before” and “proposed” options?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > AWK
> >
> > Andrew Kirkpatrick
> > Group Product Manager, Accessibility
> > Adobe
> >
> > akirkpat@adobe.com
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> > On 11/16/17, 09:56, "Laura Carlson" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Hello everyone,
> >
> >     I wrote:
> >     > Andrew, Jason, and everyone else, can you live with reverting the
> >     > adapting text language by replacing "adapt" with "change" as David
> >     > suggested? [5]
> >
> >     Please let me rephrase that.
> >
> >     After reviewing the video demonstration, draft technique, and test
> >     results can anyone not live with reverting the adapting text language
> >     by replacing "adapt" with "change" to what David suggested?
> >
> >     Thank you.
> >
> >     Best Regards,
> >     Laura
> >
> >     On 11/15/17, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >     > Hello Andrew, Jason, and all,
> >     >
> >     > Andrew wrote [1]:
> >     >> It would help me to understand exactly what steps you envision
> > a user
> >     >> would need to
> >     >> follow to achieve the following four items, and provide an
> > example page
> >     >> that shows
> >     >> this working as you envision it.
> >     >
> >     > Alastair provided a video demonstration of what a person would
> > need to
> >     > do to test for the four items on the BBC and Adobe homepages.[2]
> > Thank
> >     > you, Alastair!
> >     >
> >     > For that step-by-step process in text, please check our draft
> >     > technique "Allowing for Spacing Override". [3]
> >     >
> >     > For results of the testing that we completed using that step-by-step
> >     > procedure, please check the "Results of Bookmarklet Tests for Issue
> >     > 78".[4] Between July 25 and August 3, 2017, 67 pages were tested. If
> >     > the spacing parameters supplied by the author already meets or
> > exceeds
> >     > the SC's specified metrics, the content passes the test using the
> >     > bookmarklet.
> >     >
> >     > Does the video demonstration, draft technique, and test results
> >     > provide the clarity needed?
> >     >
> >     > Andrew, Jason, and everyone else, can you live with reverting the
> >     > adapting text language by replacing "adapt" with "change" as David
> >     > suggested? [5]
> >     >
> >     > Thank you.
> >     >
> >     > Kindest Regards,
> >     > Laura
> >     >
> >     > [1]
> >
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> >     > Laura L. Carlson
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