RE: Proposal: We need to identify whether a proposed SC applies broadly

Hi Gregg,

Thanks for replying.

Can you give me an example of how you would restrict to particular content, please?

Thank you.

Kim

From: Gregg C Vanderheiden [mailto:greggvan@umd.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:19 PM
To: Jason J White
Cc: alands289; Dirks, Kim (Legal); w3c-waI-gl@w3. org
Subject: Re: Proposal: We need to identify whether a proposed SC applies broadly

+1  to Jason’s comment

You can solve this problem by restricting the SC to only those types of content that it should apply to.

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Gregg C Vanderheiden
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On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:04 PM, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:jjwhite@ets.org>> wrote:

The WCAG 2.0 position is that if a success criterion is not broadly applicable to different kinds of content (including Web sites and Web applications in a general sense), then it belongs at Level AAA. I would be very surprised if this working group were to depart from that position in crafting WCAG 2.1.

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Subject: RE: Proposal: We need to identify whether a proposed SC applies broadly

Kimberlee,

I was reading through your email and I’m thinking is not possible that there would be “professionals” that would have disabilities?

Do we not need to consider accessibility for employees as an employer to meet the US Government’s Section 503 if applicable?


Alan Smith

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Subject: Proposal: We need to identify whether a proposed SC applies broadly

Hello everyone,

It’s my understanding that our goal is to make every website accessible to everyone and develop guidelines that are universally applicable. Given that, I’m really struggling with how to apply some of the proposed SCs to *all* websites.

Please note: I’m using “website” generically – I’m including mobile apps, software, etc. I’m also using “computer” generically to include all devices we use to interact with digital content.

Proposal
Proposed SCs need to identify targeted types/categories of websites, based on expected users, because not all websites can or should be expected to conform to all categories of user needs. In other words, a site geared toward the practice of medicine doesn’t need to take into account my autistic nephew, but a bank site where he can check is bank balance, does.

Background
There are multiple “professional” websites. In fact, my company has over 150 digital product offerings. These sites are designed for highly educated professionals to be used in the course of their jobs. Our target audience includes legal professionals, data scientists, tax and accounting professionals and other expert users. These users are in careers that require a very high level of knowledge and cognitive functioning. Their licenses require a very high level of knowledge and cognitive functioning. This leads me to the conclusion that some of the proposed SCs fail because they do not apply to all user profiles.

However, I also see merit in those same proposed SCs. It seems like we have two options.
1. Throw out all the “squishy” SCs
2. Create a “category” for those SCs that may not apply to all websites. This is not accurate, but for the sake of this proposal, it could be something like “public” and “professional” as an example.

Justification
Some websites do need to be accessible and usable by virtually everyone who can use a computer. For example, everyone should be able to check their bank balance or fill out online job applications (assuming they are qualified for those jobs). But for websites that target specific people or groups of people such as graduate students, doctors, or lawyers, it may be impossible for them to present their content and the functionality of their website such that every person who uses a computer can use and understand their websites. I’m concerned that we will be putting companies such as mine in a position to have to choose between their business needs and accessibility standards. To me, this harms our reputation as a standards-generating body.

We already separate out accessibility guidelines, such as those targeting page authoring, testers, and so on.

What do you think? I think we need to have a conversation about this and figure out a way to keep the some of the new SCs, even if they don’t apply to every website.

Thanks.

Kim


Kimberlee Dirks, JD
Accessibility Specialist, Legal UX
Thomson Reuters
kimberlee.dirks@tr.com<mailto:kimberlee.dirks@tr.com>



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