Re: New wording for clear controls - is this the right direction?

Don’t know 

I would ask the authors of the SC.   It was not clear to me what was envisioned - which is why I asked.

Are those controls visible inside the browser? 

IF they change - does it change the layout or description?

Good question

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Gregg C Vanderheiden
greggvan@umd.edu



> On Mar 15, 2017, at 1:46 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com> wrote:
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> As a thought... do you mean *standardized native platform controls* ? 
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> This would then allow OSes to use their native default format controls (i.e. unstyled) and still be conformant, the assumption being that any user will recognize and understand the native controls from the OS they are currently using, even if the controls look differently based upon different OS conventions.
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> JF
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> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote:
> interesting 
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> a few questions 
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> Which standard are we using to look up what the “standard” controls are ?
> Are these the standard appearance for all controls?  (e.g. apple and Microsoft have different standard looking controls)
> Does this mean that if someone come up with a more effective control that is more obvious and easier to use — we have to wait until it goes through the standards process (several years) before the control can be used without having to have another control behind it that you can bring forward?
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> or does “standard control”  mean any control that is generally used by an organization. 
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> need to define what standard means.    and whether there is one or many standards for different technologies and platforms — and then which ones apply  unless any apply.
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> Unghhh   this gets so hard.     easy to say and get the gist.   Hard to define so that a tester knows exactly what is meant and what they should do…. 
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden
> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>
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>> On Mar 15, 2017, at 5:29 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:
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>> After yesterdays call Neil and myself worked out some new wording that we think addresses the gist of the feedback. It will take a fair bit of work to get the definition of standard format so can we have a feel for whether this is the direction we want to go in before we do that work.
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>> The proposed new wording is:
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>> unambiguous controls: A mechanism exists for rendering visual interactive controls in a standard format unless they have clearly labeled instructions that explains their use.
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>> An exception is available if the style is an essential part of the main function of the site, such as for a game.
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>> Then we have to identify what is a standard controls with a minnium testable criteria. This will take us a few weeks but it will be along the lines of:
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>> standard format: A format that identifies their roles. At a minimum this includes:
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>> Buttons and links have a clearly identified outline or are underlined unless they are in a tool bar or menu bar that has a clear outline (either via a border or background color) that only contains elements with the same role and interaction patterns. (side note: tab items and toolbar items in the same bar would fail) .
>> Options are are associated with a check box, radio box or are in a list box
>> .....
>> Note this is issue 36 - it is always best to put comments there
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>> All the best
>> 
>> Lisa Seeman
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