Re: I will vote against WCAG 2.1 Draft

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On Feb 20, 2017 1:25 PM, "Joshue O Connor" <josh@interaccess.ie> wrote:

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> Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
> 20 February 2017 at 18:47
> Patrick gave me a link to a mobile phone spoofer for Firefox, called User
> Agent Switcher. So I can read Github easily now.
>
> I'm really glad to hear that you can access GH better now. This would be
> good for other members of the LVTF -
> so maybe share the extension with the group.
>
> Sincere apologies that there are issues with these tools for VIP, and
> thanks also to Patrick for chipping in with a practical solution.
> I hope this helps remove some barriers to participation for you and others.
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh
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> Seeing the whole thing I kind of think we should just publish what we have
> approved. Many of the LV SCs are not in their most evolved forms.  I know
> we took a vote, and I gave a +1, but seeing it now the incomplete SCs look
> too incomplete. I'm worried they will create more confusion than stimulate
> meaningful discussion.
>
> Wayne
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> Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com>
> 20 February 2017 at 18:36
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> +1 to Greggs comments, which could be in the ‘At Risk’ (or some such name)
> section……
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> *From:* White, Jason J [mailto:jjwhite@ets.org <jjwhite@ets.org>]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 1:28 PM
> *To:* Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu> <greggvan@umd.edu>; David
> MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> <david100@sympatico.ca>
> *Cc:* Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com> <wayneedick@gmail.com>;
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> *Subject:* RE: I will vote against WCAG 2.1 Draft
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> +1 to Gregg’s comments, which are in line with how the working group has
> historically operated in publishing drafts.
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> White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>
> 20 February 2017 at 18:28
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> +1 to Gregg’s comments, which are in line with how the working group has
> historically operated in publishing drafts.
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
> 20 February 2017 at 18:26
> I do not agree that you we should release SC for public comment that do
> not meet the criteria for an SC.
>
> if they do not qualify — they are not SC.
>
> If we want to release those that DO qualify
> AND ALSO get help on other ones that DON’T YET
>
> Then we could have an *additional* *section below *the ones that qualify
>  that says.
>
>    - the following are things we would like to see but they do not
>    qualify for the reasons stated under each one.
>    - if people know of ways to modify these so they would qualify - we
>    would much like to see your ideas
>
>
>
>
> X1:  SHORT NAME OF #1:    Text of the thing we would like to make into an
> SC
>
>    - reason #1  — and why               [ For example       * Not
>    testable — because it contains the phrase  “must be easy” but “easy” is not
>    a testable term ]
>    - reason #2 (if there are more than 1) — and why       [ example
>    *Not broadly applicable — because this can only be met by markup languages ]
>
>
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> X2:  SHORT NAME OF #2:  text of 2
>
>    - reason #1 - and why
>
>
> etc
>
>
> That way we
>
>    1. don’t make it look like we can include things we can’t — and then
>    disappoint people when we drop all the ones we can’t
>    2. we get people who want them in there to give us their best effort
>    in getting them into shape
>
>
>
> Gregg
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden
> greggvan@umd.edu
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> David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> 20 February 2017 at 17:36
> While I agree that there has not been complete WG consensus for 23 of the
> 25 new SCs, I would also say that the Task forces worked hard on the SCs
> that were submitted as issues, and by their submission as Issues, it means
> they had consensus of at least the task forces that created them.
>
> I was against the idea of releasing working drafts on a set schedule, but
> since the group made that decision, then I support the group consensus to
> do so.
>
> Although there are a number of SCs which do not meet all the requirements
> for SCs, I think we should go forward and see what the public says.
>
> The other option is to wait about 9 months so that we can vet 60 success
> criteria at a rate of 2 per week. And I don't think they will be that much
> better at that point... and if a many  of the 60 SCs are rejected by the
> public after the FPWD we will be 9 months behind.
>
> I think the current disclaimer language strikes a good balance between
> saying this is the best of our work so far, and it still has a long way to
> go, and it gives the public a chance to look over our shoulders before
> everything is baked in.
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> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
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