Re: SC #62 Keyboard with AT (that remaps key input)

yes….   
agree.
but WCAG is about web pages — not apps.     

How can you muck from a web page? 

Gregg C Vanderheiden
greggvan@umd.edu



> On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Chris McMeeking <chris.mcmeeking@deque.com> wrote:
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> @Gregg: Yes and no.  For mobile in particular, the line between browser and device/native capabilities is much closer together than on desktop.  Consumer demand for an "integrated" mobile experience is very high.  So there is a tendency for OS manufacturers to provide capabilities you would usually associate with a "native" experience, direct from the OS included WebView implementation.  One of these capabilities is to interrupt/muck with AT behavior.  The ability to effect AT and Keyboard events already exists in Native and Hybrid apps on both major platforms (iOS and Android).  This is forward thinking on both browser capability, and potential encompassing of hybrid/native mobile apps under the WCAG umbrella.
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> @David: +1.  The thoughts here may indeed have a better "home" though I thought that was already discussed somewhere...
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> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote:
> how is a web page designer going to have any effect on keyboards or AT behavior?
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> They only can deal with the ‘keyboard input” that the web page receives  AFTER it comes in from the browser.    No?  
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden
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>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:05 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>> wrote:
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>> Hi Marc
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>> Here's the current language for #62​.​
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>> Keyboard with AT (that remaps key input): All functions available by keyboard are still available by keyboard after accessibility-supported assistive technology that remaps keystrokes is turned on.
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>> In the comments for Issue #62, there appears to be emerging consensus that this is already required in 2.1.1. Accessibility support requires that Keyboard functionality still works when a screen reader is running. We've been failing content on that basis for years. However, what the new SC does point out, is that the Understanding document could be updated with a sentence about mobile, and that it also applies there. This is not a new requirement, so it doesn't need an SC, it just needs a bit of pastural guidance in the Understanding of 2.1.1.
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>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com <mailto:marc.johlic@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Regrets for the same Austin meeting as Mike, Moe, and Lisa.   My two SCs have good feedback - I will try to get pull requests in this week for them.
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