Re: New Wiki page with SC text proposals to combine issues 79, 78, and 74

+1

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
wrote:

> maybe it is a little less awkward formatting (than having the floating
> phrase at the end) to put it back inline   —  now that we have the language.
>
>
> Ability to Override:  For web technologies that allow user agents to
> change​ text and background colors, font, or spacing between letters,
> words, lines, or paragraphs, nothing is done in the content to prevent the
> user agents from making the changes.
> ​
>
> *Gregg*
>
> Gregg C Vanderheiden
> greggvan@umd.edu
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:28 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> I think I prefer 11 also... but I like the term "override" which could be
> the short handle, here it is with Greggs' friendly amendment.
>
> =====
> User
> ​
> override: For web technologies that allow user agents to change any or all
> of the following:
>
> ​-​
> text and background colors,
> ​-​
> font, or
> ​- ​
> spacing between letters, words, lines, or paragraphs,
>
> nothing is done in the content to prevent these changes
> ​.​
> =========
>
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> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I concur on 11
>>
>>
>> 1 , 12, and 13  require the Author to prevent things from happening that
>> they have no control over.     There is no restriction on what
>> modifications are done — yet they are responsible for the result no
>> breaking the content.
>>
>> with 11 - it only requires that they not prevent the modifications from
>> being done.
>>
>> it WOULD be ok for the Author to be sure that any modification THEY do
>> will not break the content — but there are so many ways that a user could
>> change things that might break content in ways that an author could not
>> predict.
>>
>> ALSO — there is no way to test whether it is impossible to break the
>> content with anything the use could do.  (In fact we have both cited things
>> that a user could do that would definitely break the functionality)
>>
>> so 11 works.
>>
>>   but others are not testable and not in control of author — for related
>> reasons.
>>
>>
>> best
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>> PS
>>
>> By the way, you can lower the reading level (calculated) by swapping out
>> a few words.
>>
>> "For web technologies that allow user agents to change any or all of the
>> following:
>>
>>
>>    - text and background colors,
>>          - font, or
>>          - spacing between letters, words, lines, or paragraphs,
>>
>> nothing is done in the content to prevent these changes."
>>
>>
>>
>> Gregg C Vanderheiden
>> greggvan@umd.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that Laura,
>>
>> Sorry, I must have missed your initial one, otherwise I’d have referenced
>> it!
>>
>> I have a preference for 12/13, followed by 1 & 11 for several reasons:
>>
>> - Any SC sentence with more than about 50 words is probably too long and
>> needs simplifying or re-structuring. The complexity of including user-agent
>> aspects, the technology, mechanisms… makes that difficult.
>>
>> - If the SC focuses on what the content needs to allow for, then we can
>> drop references to mechanisms, user agents etc.
>>
>> - User-override of the presentation is possible for the “regular” web
>> technologies (including PDF), but if we must have an exception I’d like to
>> use a Note (similar in concept to 2.1.1 Keyboard) such as Wayne's “If no
>> mechanism exists to change presentational styling on any user agent for the
>> target technology, then the author has no responsible to create one.”
>> Update: Like 13, but the second sentence is a note.
>>
>> - The term “Overriding” is explicit about what is happening, whereas
>> “Changing the presentation” isn’t as clear about what the scenario is.
>>
>> Now onto to Gregg's comments :-)
>>
>> -Alastair
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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