- From: Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:42:47 -0500
- To: public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, GLWAI Guidelines WG org <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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maybe it is a little less awkward formatting (than having the floating phrase at the end) to put it back inline — now that we have the language. Ability to Override: For web technologies that allow user agents to change text and background colors, font, or spacing between letters, words, lines, or paragraphs, nothing is done in the content to prevent the user agents from making the changes. Gregg Gregg C Vanderheiden greggvan@umd.edu > On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:28 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > I think I prefer 11 also... but I like the term "override" which could be the short handle, here it is with Greggs' friendly amendment. > > ===== > User override: For web technologies that allow user agents to change any or all of the following: > > - text and background colors, > - font, or > - spacing between letters, words, lines, or paragraphs, > > nothing is done in the content to prevent these changes. > ========= > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > CanAdapt Solutions Inc. > Tel: 613.235.4902 > LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > twitter.com/davidmacd <http://twitter.com/davidmacd> > GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> > www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> > > Adapting the web to all users > Including those with disabilities > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote: > I concur on 11 > > > 1 , 12, and 13 require the Author to prevent things from happening that they have no control over. There is no restriction on what modifications are done — yet they are responsible for the result no breaking the content. > > with 11 - it only requires that they not prevent the modifications from being done. > > it WOULD be ok for the Author to be sure that any modification THEY do will not break the content — but there are so many ways that a user could change things that might break content in ways that an author could not predict. > > ALSO — there is no way to test whether it is impossible to break the content with anything the use could do. (In fact we have both cited things that a user could do that would definitely break the functionality) > > so 11 works. > > but others are not testable and not in control of author — for related reasons. > > > best > > Gregg > > > PS > > By the way, you can lower the reading level (calculated) by swapping out a few words. > "For web technologies that allow user agents to change any or all of the following: > text and background colors, > font, or > spacing between letters, words, lines, or paragraphs, > nothing is done in the content to prevent these changes." > > > Gregg C Vanderheiden > greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu> > > > >> On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com <mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for that Laura, >> >> Sorry, I must have missed your initial one, otherwise I’d have referenced it! >> >> I have a preference for 12/13, followed by 1 & 11 for several reasons: >> >> - Any SC sentence with more than about 50 words is probably too long and needs simplifying or re-structuring. The complexity of including user-agent aspects, the technology, mechanisms… makes that difficult. >> >> - If the SC focuses on what the content needs to allow for, then we can drop references to mechanisms, user agents etc. >> >> - User-override of the presentation is possible for the “regular” web technologies (including PDF), but if we must have an exception I’d like to use a Note (similar in concept to 2.1.1 Keyboard) such as Wayne's “If no mechanism exists to change presentational styling on any user agent for the target technology, then the author has no responsible to create one.” >> Update: Like 13, but the second sentence is a note. >> >> - The term “Overriding” is explicit about what is happening, whereas “Changing the presentation” isn’t as clear about what the scenario is. >> >> Now onto to Gregg's comments :-) >> >> -Alastair > >
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