Re: CFC: Target Size and Target Size (no exception) SC

well I just looked at a bunch and I guess we have different sites


but even on the sites I visited — making all the navigation that large would mess up all the nav bars both vertically and horizontally. 

It makes the sites look horrid.   and take a menu that fits on one screen and spans it across multiple. (which is bad UX)

Here is an example from Alastair
https://alastairc.ac/tmp/wikipedia-44px-target-test.png <https://alastairc.ac/tmp/wikipedia-44px-target-test.png>

look at the side menu - before and after.  

we can do this - but I think we are just dooming 2.1 to be referred to at the unrealistic guidelines. 


g 

Gregg C Vanderheiden
greggvan@umd.edu




> On May 28, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote:
> 
> Gregg,
> It is not "a few non text links" - I have not made the count right now actoss sites that I have tested but my guess is that between 60 and 99 % of links on pages that I come across in testing are not inline text links. Most are 
> - main navigation (including drop-down menus)
> - service navigation
> - site map (commonly in a footer section)
> - teaser links to content
> - social media links
> - links in sidebars (often with images) to supplementary info 
> 
> ...and so on. Note that many are of these are text links (e.g. in menus) but would not fall under the inline text link exception. Sire, you do have inline text inks here and there but they generally both less numerous and less critical. 
> I simply do not get it why you don't see the huge benefit for users who, once this new SC makes the most frequently used and most critical targets larger, will often not have to zoom in ( and likely vertically scroll) to recognize and hit a target with confidence.
> 
> Detlev
> 
> Sent from phone
> 
> Am 28.05.2017 um 22:43 schrieb Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>>:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This SC while applicable on all touch screens is most likely on small screen devices.  Today, almost all mobile browsers do not support reflow on zoom.  So small screen touch devices go into a mode that adds horizontal scrolling when enlarged.  So you are suggesting that it’s ok for users to have to initiate a pinch zoom, then scroll the screen and then tap the target in order to get a target that is large enough for them.  I don’t think this is very practical.
>>> 
>> 
>> That is not what I am saying.    That is what THE SC is saying.
>> 
>> This SC says  ‘Make all the non-text targets big — but all the hypertext links on the page are exempt —  so the person will have to zoom it in order to use any hypertext link’.
>> 
>> 
>> What I am saying is that if Zoom is good enough for all the links on the page  — why are we requiring that the few non-text targets be large ?  
>> 
>> 
>> g