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Re: Target size alternative

From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:12:54 -0400
Message-ID: <CAAdDpDacihZMXXHESejj=jTcAFx2wjEgttMT-NKW9HGhCqJZYg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Repsher, Stephen J" <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>
Cc: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Interesting idea, let's keep that in our back pockets if the current one
has issues in comments cycle.

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On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Repsher, Stephen J <
stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:

> *[Jason] This is interesting. Do you have a good estimate of what
> proportion of the troublesome cases (those which would be problematic for
> users) this covers?*
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> No, unfortunately I do not.  The goal was much less grandiose.
> Essentially, I wanted to say that for a given visual presentation of
> content, make all targets as big as they could be without necessarily
> having to change anything visually.  The entire table cell, tab, accordion
> header, control+label, etc. should be included in a target.
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> Steve
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> *From:* White, Jason J [mailto:jjwhite@ets.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:02 AM
> *To:* Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>; WCAG <
> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Target size alternative
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> *From:* Repsher, Stephen J [mailto:stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com
> <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:29 AM
> *To:* WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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> Each target includes any associated heading or label which does not serve
> more than one target, and the full extent of any container(s) for which it
> is the only element.
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> And then maybe redefine target in the glossary simply to (utilizing the
> existing definition for user interface component):
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> target: the physical area of a user interface component that accepts a
> click or touch for activation
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> I think this would certainly make a lot of unnecessarily small targets
> across the web much bigger, yet it inherently excludes any links within
> blocks of text and other points of contention. The exception for "more than
> one target" is meant to handle situations such as tables where multiple
> controls may reference a single label using  aria-labeledby  or similar
> technique.
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> *[Jason] This is interesting. Do you have a good estimate of what
> proportion of the troublesome cases (those which would be problematic for
> users) this covers? Perhaps I’m naïve, but it seems to me that the very
> small in-line targets that people are trying to exclude would be the worst
> cases for the users with dexterity issues. I think this entire problem
> calls for a “user agent” solution.*
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> *Returning to the original proposal, the difficulty with small targets
> seems to be that increasing the size without overlapping requires
> corresponding increases in the size of (or spacing between) the controls,
> introducing the problem of horizontal scrolling as John noted. There have
> been allegations about other formatting problems that would make the
> resultant material hard to read. So perhaps a narrow exception to cover
> just those cases would be in order, rather than a broad exception for
> “in-line” controls and links.*
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