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Re: Errata on WCAG 2.0 1.3.3 and 1.4.1

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 10:55:41 -0500
Message-ID: <CAKdCpxyR9bWpbeFh-u4JQDjhJJOk9fJ3xt=ca=T-VhHy3TkgvA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com>
Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
+1

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree that color is still included whether color is in the list or not,
>> just as “scent” would be since both are sensory characteristics. Given that
>> some people have been confused by it there is no issue in regarding this as
>> an editorial change that doesn’t affect the normative meaning.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> AWK
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>> Adobe
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/17/17, 14:01, "Sailesh Panchang" <sailesh.panchang@deque.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Andrew,
>> >
>> >My point is that adding color is not an omission or an error that
>> >needs to be addressed by an errata to WCAG 2.0. The words 'such as'
>> >covers it.
>> >Else:
>> >remove the words 'such as' and list all attributes such as shape,
>> >location, color etc. exhaustively within the SC.
>> >That note really does not add or detract from the SC ... it is simply
>> >confuses one. Removing it will  get rid of a distraction. That can be
>> >addressed by an errata.
>> >
>> >The Understanding doc for WCAG 2.0 can clarify that SC 1.3.3 also
>> >includes color (and any other attributes not presently listed). That
>> >will be in keeping with the framework of the Understanding doc ...
>> >explain / clarify and not add / detract to the SC.
>> >Thanks and best wishes,
>> >Sailesh
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>> >On 5/17/17, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
>> >>>Adding 'color' to the SC now will make one conclude with certainty
>> >>>that WCAG 2.0 does not include  or mean to include 'color' for SC
>> >>>1.3.3.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, the first step is to add this to the editorial errata list
>> for
>> >> WCAG 2.0, which will make one conclude with certainty that WCAG 2.0
>> does
>> >> include color in 1.3.3. Does that make sense? Then, since the change is
>> >> editorial we will make the textual change in WCAG 2.1 to avoid people
>> >> needing to check the errata (which people generally don’t do).
>> >>
>> >> AWK
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>On 5/17/17, Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:
>> >>>> +1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Steve
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:21 PM
>> >>>> To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> >>>> Subject: Errata on WCAG 2.0 1.3.3 and 1.4.1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Gregg suggested (correctly, I believe) that the original intent of
>> 1.3.3
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> 1.4.1 is being misunderstood due to the language of the notes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The suggestion is to remove the notes for both SC and the explicitly
>> add
>> >>>> “color” to the list of sensory characteristics in 1.3.3:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics: Instructions provided for
>> understanding
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> operating content do not rely solely on sensory characteristics of
>> >>>> components such as shape, size, @@color,@@ visual location,
>> orientation,
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> sound.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Color is clearly a sensory characteristic, so we could also just
>> handle
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> addition of “color” in the understanding document but I think that
>> given
>> >>>> that color is explicitly discussed in 1.4.1 it may decrease possible
>> >>>> misunderstandings.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Step one is to add this to the errata document. Step two would be to
>> >>>> implement the change in the WCAG 2.1 release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What do people think?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> AWK
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>> >>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>> >>>> Adobe
>> >>>>
>> >>>> akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%
>> 2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fawkawk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbeb8842f38e5
>> 4913f5c208d49d42e0c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%
>> 7C0%7C636306357942620613&sdata=lPEDk2IfS6%2FWLh562VcIEn
>> Eh7EXj7EgP7eQ1zMj1Iuw%3D&reserved=0
>> >>>>
>> >>
>>
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John Foliot
Principal Accessibility Strategist
Deque Systems Inc.
john.foliot@deque.com

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