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Re: SC #78 'Adapting text', and a question regarding consensus on icon fonts

From: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:37:00 +0000
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <A07597D3-BBF8-4DBE-B2D1-7E527A3E105C@nomensa.com>
Hi Andrew,

Interesting example, that one works because it is converting whole (English) words into an icon, not choosing random characters to replace.

Therefore, when you over-ride the font the text (re)appears.

So long as there is space for the word to appear instead of the icon, that would work.



On 20/04/2017, 15:29, "Andrew Kirkpatrick" <akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:

    If you go into https://symbolset.com and write the suggested words (cart, love, user, etc) they are converted to icons. Then go and change the font specified to arial or something else and you get the words.
    Doesn’t this address the issue?
    Andrew Kirkpatrick
    Group Product Manager, Accessibility

    On 4/20/17, 10:11, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk> wrote:
    >On 20/04/2017 15:06, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
    >> I think that it is a problem if we forbid any
    >> method/technique/technology that can be used in an accessible manner.
    >> So, while using icon fonts seems to be challenging to do well, it
    >> also seems possible to do well (see
    >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.filamentgroup.com%2Flab%2Fbulletproof_icon_fonts.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e32382df79d4b0d18d908d487f75aa9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636282943838705564&sdata=8XMjonNSIB5d6aAPUOWVdXe7wuE7SOiOxzwr7pFqTW4%3D&reserved=0 for
    >> problems and some solutions). If this resource is correct, we
    >> shouldn’t be doing anything to forbid icon fonts _done well_ but
    >> should be addressing the cases where the use of icon fonts causes
    >> problems.
    >There are techniques that can make icon fonts accessible to AT users, 
    >and to users that run with browsers that don't support font-face,  but 
    >no technique that makes them impervious to users changing their font 
    >settings (note that this scenario is not mentioned in the 
    >Filamentgroup's article).
    >> Then we can have a failure that shows how to fail the SC by using
    >> icon fonts incorrectly, and techniques that show positive examples of
    >> how to pass the SC, but we don’t want to be in the situation of
    >> saying that “yes, what you are doing is accessible, but because most
    >> people don’t do that correctly we are banning the practice”.
    >It's clearly not accessible if we're trying to allow for users to also 
    >be able to arbitrarily change/override fonts though (which this SC does)
    >Patrick H. Lauke
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