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Re: Re[4]: CfC: Approve draft charter for AC review: THREAD CLOSED

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 23:39:05 +0000
To: Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com>, 'Detlev Fischer' <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, "josh@interaccess.ie" <josh@interaccess.ie>
CC: 'WCAG' <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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Josh and I feel that we need to bring this conversation to a close at this time.  The charter is in the hands of the W3C Management and, pending a positive outcome there, will go to the W3C Advisory Committee for review and comment.  From there, the Working Group will need to open a discussion if any comments from the AC need to be resolved.

We understand that people have strong feelings about this topic and others, but as the WG has arrived at its decision, further discussion/debate on the merits is not productive.  Any questions about the process or concerns which remain outstanding can be raised with the chairs or staff contact.

We know that everyone on the group is very dedicated to our work, and also that everyone is engaging in the work with the goal of bettering accessibility for people with disabilities through our efforts and the resulting documents we produce. It is natural that there are differences in opinion as to the best ways to proceed toward that goal, but we do need to make sure that we maintain a respectful and collegial atmosphere as we work through these differences, and as well once decisions are made.


Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Standards and Accessibility


From: Katie GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com<mailto:ryladog@gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 20:50
To: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de<mailto:detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>>, "josh@interaccess.ie<mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>" <josh@interaccess.ie<mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>>
Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: Re[4]: CfC: Approve draft charter for AC review
Resent-From: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 20:52


I too now am irritated by hearing my own repeated position…..I do not enjoy making myself a pain in everyone’s side.

There are two things going on – and what this is really about.

One is my having to be *the* voice of one stakeholder group of WCAG – governments, who must implement it. Allen and Bruce have weighed in when they are able. But, I am not, nor have I ever been, a government employee – and really wish I was not the lone dissenting voice for them – I expect I am not able to do the job well enough, nor as accurately, as they would.

Our WG happens to be void of any government employees who are able to commit the serious time needed at this juncture, currently, to this group and charter discussion – and for a whole host of good reasons. It is my opinion that had there been more active government members, this agile timeline charter discussion would have gone very differently.

IMHO the government stakeholder group is vital to the success or failure of any WCAG version. I do have experience with getting WCAG taken up in regulations, and implemented, in a government in the US. There is a very specific set of steps, but various agencies must be consulted. The public and agencies must be given the opportunity to ask questions and comment – very much like this WG must go through those valuable vetting public reviews and addressing comments – and then all documentation must be updated – and a grandfathering date included. All of this adds time before a standard can be adopted.

The second issue, is my own position (where I am wearing too many hats), that makes it necessary for me to be horribly cryptic – a thing I do not enjoy.

My opinion that a very few who insisted on the 2 year timeline, and did not want to compromise, do not have the experience of; having written any WCAG SC, technique or understanding content – have no experience of defining, writing and launching a WCAG version in the W3C -- nor any experience implementing it or other standard in government – and then dismissed the comments of the WG members who do have this experience -- are therefore, IMHO, not in a very good position to be defining the direction and future of this WG and insisting that:

1.) WCAG timelines should be defined, and as agile (don’t finish - iterate), and do not need to be complete
2.) that government timelines should not be considered, and that
3.) promises made to the Cognitive community do not have to be kept

​​​​​Evidence? No crime has been commited. It is certainly my view that these few do not understand the implications of their actions – but think they are doing the *right* thing – as do I.

Influential people? Yes, in that they were able to convince this august group and its chairs, almost entirely made up of people who were not on this WG for the release of 2.0, of their position. The few of us ‘geezers’, to a man (I think), disagreed with the agile timeline approach – along with the few government members.

Behind-the-scenes, politics…..is a very real thing at the W3C – a fact I have only come to truly realize in the last year as an AC Rep.

* katie *

Katie Haritos-Shea
Principal ICT Accessibility Architect (WCAG/Section 508/ADA/AODA)

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From: Detlev Fischer [mailto:detlev.fischer@testkreis.de]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:44 PM
To: josh@interaccess.ie<mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>
Cc: Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com<mailto:ryladog@gmail.com>>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: CfC: Approve draft charter for AC review

Just to let you know that I have not the foggiest idea what this huge discussion is really about. Katie, I am getting a bit irritated by your repeated reference to 'influential people' forcing an agenda behind the scenes and at the same time, your unwillingness to name them and provide any clear evidence. IMHO, this very discussion is not something that would encourage the experts needed to enter the WCAG WG.
Best, Detlev
Received on Thursday, 20 October 2016 23:39:40 UTC

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