RE: Do icons fall under - 1.3.3 question for shapes/icons alone that are used everywhere now but were not back in 2008

> From my testing
http://patrickhlauke.github.io/touch/tests/results/#mobile-tablet-touchscreen-assistive-technology-events

using http://patrickhlauke.github.io/touch/tests/event-listener.html in Android 6 with Chrome and Talkback, using touch to explore does not fire mouseover when going over my test button which has event listeners attached to it.

As I mentioned, with TalkBack active in Chrome simply focusing the item doesn't trigger the hover but a double tap does trigger a hover (example tested with the hover pseudo class) and it remains in the hover state.  That is focusing it with TalkBack appear to throw the element into the hovered state.

For native apps, a hover event is fired on TalkBack focus  -- see a bit about it in this thread.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17018252/android-override-talkback-gestures


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-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:10 AM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: Do icons fall under - 1.3.3 question for shapes/icons alone that are used everywhere now but were not back in 2008

On 25/04/2016 15:40, Jonathan Avila wrote:
>>> I thought there might already be a touch counterpart to hover, in
>> which case it could readily be used for this purpose.
>
>> There isn't (with a few minor exceptions, such as certain stylus 
>> implementations on certain devices, like the Galaxy Note II)
>
> For what it's worth on native Android TalkBack appears to send hover 
> events when explore by touch is used.  In Chrome with TalkBack on 
> Android when you double tap an element such as a paragraph of text a 
> hover event is triggered.

 From my testing
http://patrickhlauke.github.io/touch/tests/results/#mobile-tablet-touchscreen-assistive-technology-events

using http://patrickhlauke.github.io/touch/tests/event-listener.html in Android 6 with Chrome and Talkback, using touch to explore does not fire mouseover when going over my test button which has event listeners attached to it.

When double-tapping/activating the button, mouseover is indeed fired, but only as part of the entire series of activation events (touch events, mouse events, click).

>  If you hook a mouse to an Android device and move the pointer around 
> you will hear speech and the TalkBack cursor will move around.

Indeed, using a paired mouse, it will fire the expected mouse events (including mouseover) that you'd also get on a desktop (in recent versions of Android) http://patrickhlauke.github.io/touch/tests/results/#mobile-tablet-keyboard-mouse-events


Generally though, note the question was about touch, and I would posit this is also about users NOT running Talkback (if we're considering, for instance, user groups with cognitive disabilities who may not necessarily run TB).

P
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