- From: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 05:22:52 -0700
- To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org, Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de>
Indeed it is an abuse. Title is okay for forms with a single search box or phone# type (multipart) fields. In such cases, one sort of turns a blind eye towards SC 3.3.2. It is ok for SC 4.1.2 for assigning a name to a field but not as a replacement for a label in a form with several fields. H65 should not be deleted but it needs to clarify usage. Also the specs clearly say placeholder is not a substitutefor a label. Thanks, Sailesh -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/12/15, Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote: Subject: Re: H65 updates To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 6:40 AM Hi, Detlev is right. H65 was specifically created for cases where " the visual design cannot accommodate the label" (as the description says). If H65 is deleted, HTML forms can only meet SC 3.3.2 using visible labels. We should think about other ways to prevent abuse of H65 before removing it. Best regards, Christophe On 12/06/2015 9:36, Detlev Fischer wrote: > I don"t quite see the point in removing the reference to 3.3.2 (labels or instructions) in H65 because that is exactly the Success Criterion that the technique relates to. The critical bit is the qualification in H65 "when the label element cannot be used". On longer forms (as pointed out by Paul) it is perfectly possible to use visible labels, so H65 does not qualify. Still, there are contexts where H65 will meet SC 3.3.2 so the reference should stay in place. > > Detlev > > On 12 Jun 2015, at 06:03, james.nurthen@oracle.com wrote: > >> I agree. h65 is valid but doesn't let you meet 3.3.2 by itself. >> >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote: >> >>> We need to consider removing the reference to SC 3.3.2 from H65. >>> >>> See this article >>> http://pauljadam.com/demos/wcagh65invalid.html >>> >>> H65 >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H65.html >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Avila >>> Chief Accessibility Officer >>> SSB BART Group >>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com >>> -- Christophe Strobbe Akademischer Mitarbeiter Responsive Media Experience Research Group (REMEX) Hochschule der Medien Nobelstraße 10 70569 Stuttgart Tel. +49 711 8923 2749 “It is possible to make a living making free software for freedom instead of closed-source proprietary malware for cops.” Jacob Appelbaum, <http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/12/28/jacob-appelbaum-on-resisting-the-surveillance-state/>
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