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Re: H65 updates

From: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 05:22:52 -0700
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To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org, Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de>
Indeed it is an abuse.
Title is okay for forms with a single search box or phone# type (multipart) fields. 
In such cases, one sort of turns a blind eye towards SC 3.3.2.
It is ok for SC 4.1.2 for assigning a name to a field but not as a replacement for a label in a form with several  fields.
H65 should not be deleted but it needs to clarify usage.
Also the specs clearly say placeholder is not a substitutefor a label.

On Fri, 6/12/15, Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote:

 Subject: Re: H65 updates
 To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
 Date: Friday, June 12, 2015, 6:40 AM
 Detlev is right. H65 was specifically created for cases
 where " the
 visual design cannot accommodate the label" (as the
 description says).
 If H65 is deleted, HTML forms can only meet SC 3.3.2 using
 labels. We should think about other ways to prevent abuse of
 H65 before
 removing it.
 Best regards,
 On 12/06/2015 9:36, Detlev Fischer wrote:
 > I don"t quite see the point in removing the reference
 to 3.3.2 (labels or instructions) in H65 because that is
 exactly the Success Criterion that the technique relates to.
 The critical bit is the qualification in H65  "when the
 label element cannot be used". On longer forms (as pointed
 out by Paul) it is perfectly possible to use visible labels,
 so H65 does not qualify. Still, there are contexts where H65
 will meet SC 3.3.2 so the reference should stay in place.
 > Detlev
 > On 12 Jun 2015, at 06:03, james.nurthen@oracle.com
 >> I agree. h65 is valid but doesn't let you meet
 3.3.2 by itself.  
 >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
 >>> We need to consider removing the reference to
 SC 3.3.2 from H65.
 >>> See this article
 >>> http://pauljadam.com/demos/wcagh65invalid.html
 >>> H65
 >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H65.html
 >>> Jonathan
 >>> -- 
 >>> Jonathan Avila
 >>> Chief Accessibility Officer
 >>> SSB BART Group 
 >>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com
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