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Re: H65 updates

From: Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:40:37 +0200
Message-ID: <557AB725.9070403@hdm-stuttgart.de>
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org

Detlev is right. H65 was specifically created for cases where " the
visual design cannot accommodate the label" (as the description says).
If H65 is deleted, HTML forms can only meet SC 3.3.2 using visible
labels. We should think about other ways to prevent abuse of H65 before
removing it.

Best regards,


On 12/06/2015 9:36, Detlev Fischer wrote:
> I don"t quite see the point in removing the reference to 3.3.2 (labels or instructions) in H65 because that is exactly the Success Criterion that the technique relates to. The critical bit is the qualification in H65  "when the label element cannot be used". On longer forms (as pointed out by Paul) it is perfectly possible to use visible labels, so H65 does not qualify. Still, there are contexts where H65 will meet SC 3.3.2 so the reference should stay in place.
> Detlev
> On 12 Jun 2015, at 06:03, james.nurthen@oracle.com wrote:
>> I agree. h65 is valid but doesn't let you meet 3.3.2 by itself.  
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
>>> We need to consider removing the reference to SC 3.3.2 from H65.
>>> See this article
>>> http://pauljadam.com/demos/wcagh65invalid.html
>>> H65
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H65.html
>>> Jonathan
>>> -- 
>>> Jonathan Avila
>>> Chief Accessibility Officer
>>> SSB BART Group 
>>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com

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