- From: Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) <rscano@iwa-italy.org>
- Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:30:08 +0100
- To: <paul.walsh@segalamtest.com>, <r.castaldo@iol.it>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sorry,
How can they conform to double A if code is not valid? (wcag 1.0 checkpoint 3.2).
If you certificate these web sites for wcag conformance and don't check for validity, you grant a certification for level AA that is not true.
----- Messaggio originale -----
Da: "Paul Walsh"<paul.walsh@segalamtest.com>
Inviato: 05/11/05 18.11.49
A: "'Roberto Castaldo'"<r.castaldo@iol.it>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Oggetto: RE: Validity
Firstly, why do you amongst others, feel that the only testable
guidelines are those that are done using tools?
We certify sites every week and if we were to failed them as a result of
invalid code, the vast majority of them would fail - even though they
meet all Double-A and two checkpoints in Treble-AAA. I hope you're not
trying to tell me that these sites should fail the basic level of
accessibility just because they contain invalid code? If you are, then
you don't live in the real world. I will reiterate, introducing validity
to the lowest level of conformance (whilst ignore the fact that a site
can be accessible) will alienate people from using the WAI, me included.
What's important in all of this is that machine readable labels can
cover guidelines that aren't necessarily categorised, so users can
choose the most important ones for their requirements.
Please refrain from telling me to stop using a specific reason for my
side of the argument. I've seen this debate go on for long enough and am
aware that it has been used. Common sense tells me that if a site meets
Double-A standards and is very user friendly, you can't fail it just
because the code doesn't pass a test using a tool.
Kind regards,
Paul
Segala
-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]
On
Behalf Of Roberto Castaldo
Sent: 05 November 2005 16:37
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: Validity
Hi group,
i do not like any action in favour of tag soup, and I'm afraid we
risk to do
that; the problem, the real problem about tag soup, is that none
of us is
really able to define what an hypothetical "good tag soup" may be;
so it's
not possible to write a single guideline, or a tecnique that says
how to
write good code without validating it.
Maurizio and Paul, we all know that a valid page can have terrible
code (but
none has never said it, so please stop using this argument), so
valid code
by itself is not enough, but it is one of the few anchors, one of
the few
impartial and objective milestones which is testable by everyone
and that
gives the best interoperability guarantee. That's why valid code
is the
best starting point for any web based project, and cannot be other
than L1.
And what about the W3C compliant authoring tools shortage? That's
the actual
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