- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:17:30 -0500
- To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
SUMMARY The issues are all closed if the following are done 1) algorithm is inserted in guidelines 2) L2 SC3 is changed to <proposed>"A mechanism is available to turn off background audio that plays automatically so that the audio does not interfere with text-reading software that may be in use.</proposed> We have a general algorithm but I am still working out the details with Aries Arditi from Lighthouse. We have presented an algorithm to a vision science conference and it was well received but Aries and I are not happy with its performance at the low end of the spectrum (with foreground or background black - which has a value of 0 so you can get contrast ratios that are very high even if the background or foreground is very dark grey for example). Hope to have something soon. In the meantime here are the details assuming the above to be true (and acceptable). DETAILS ----------------------- ISSUES [344], [454], [489], [592 ]AND [996] All just ask for an algorithm. DISCUSSION: one is being developed. Developed by Arditi and Vanderheiden. Aries Arditi is with Lighthouse. Van is with Uof Wisc. RECOMMENDATION: Review algorithm for adoption when it comes out. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1320. Support light text on dark background As someone who has Retinitis Pigmentosa, I prefer yellow/white text on a dark background, but many sites do not address this and present black text on a white background, more often than not, with no other options. If I've read the guideline correctly, then my concerns are a Priority 3 issue, but it is my opinion that text contrast should be more of a priority than graphics, as many designers do not try to achieve Priority 3. Is Criteria 1.4 of WGAC 2.0 trying to address this? Loretta says: I wonder if this is supposed to be covered by 1.3, plus UA requirements? DISCUSSION: This is really a user agent issue. We don't want to recommend that all sites be light and dark by default. RECOMMENDATION: Close this issue. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1345. GL 1.4, SC L1 : conflicts with good usability Level 1 Success Criterion for Guideline 1.4: Only requiring that the text can be programmatically determined implies that it is ok to require the user to invoke some action (via a user agent or other software) to be able to read the text. Not very usable. DISCUSSION: This is all we can do at level 1 without limiting user presentation at level 1. Direct access is at level 2 RECOMMENDATION: Close issue. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1372. GL 1.4 - discourage background images Description: Guideline 1.4 In visual presentations, make it easy to distinguish foreground words and images from the background. Should a distinction not be made between background colours (as defined in the html or CSS) and background images? Should foreground text over background images not be discouraged? Will the test for measuring the contrast take into account how people with different types of colour-blindness see? DISCUSSION: 1 - yes - we have a stricter criterion for text over images. But it is at level 3 2 - Yes - test is structured so that it works across different types of color deficiency. RECOMMENDATION: No Change from current text. Close issue ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1373. GL 1.4 SC L1 - remove if redundant with GL 1.1? Level 1 Success Criteria for Guideline 1.4 If this criterion is met automatically whenever guideline 1.1 is met, should it be mentioned again as a separate guideline? DISCUSSION: 1.1 only covers images. This is broader than that. Note is to make it clear that this is covered by 1.1. RECOMMENDATION: No change Close issue ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1374. GL 1.4, L2 SC 2 - not effective for everyone Description: My concerns with this are that: (a) Guidelines like this exclude a certain percentage of users because the criterion will invariably be based on x% (90-95%) of users' sight. Is this not contradicting the principle of universal access? (b) The measurement is software-based and does not take into account how the hardware will display the contrast. Different users will use different types of hardware, e.g. handheld devices and older monitors, which will make it quite impossible to predict how users will see the contrast. DISCUSSION: a) criterion is not based on a % of sight b) yes - hardware will always affect contrast. If author follows guidelines though, the user can pick hardware that will reliably give them a set amount of contrast. RECOMMENDATION: Close issue ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1375. GL 1.4, SC 3 Point 2 should be Level 1 Description: Should Point 2 under Level 3 Success Criteria for Guideline 1.4 not be the only level 1 success criterion for this guideline? DISCUSSION: Does not relate to current wording. Mistake or wrong number or... RECOMMENDATION: Close - OBE. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1376. GL 1.4, SC 3 - incorporate note into SC Description: Level 3 Success Criteria for Guideline 1.4, Point 2 Would it not be clearer to non-technical readers if the text in the note was incorporated in the success criterion and the notion of decibels left out? DISCUSSION: Db are measurable so more important to keep as it. RECOMMENDATION: Close issue. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1377. GL 1.4, SC L3 - impractical to measure background noise Description: Level 3 Success Criteria for Guideline 1.4, Point 2 How can content authors measure the background noise against the audio content in practice? Will this guideline work in practice? DISCUSSION: There are techniques for doing it. see techniques doc. RECOMMENDATION: Close issue ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1430. Guideline 1.4, informative - also applies to non-native speakers It might be worth noting that people not very familiar with a foreign language have problems understanding speech in the presence of background noise. DISCUSSION: Informative and not accessibility. We decided to not use usability examples. RECOMMENDATION: Close issue ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1440. Letting reader control contrast more important than making it measurable Guideline 1.4. Level 2 Success Criteria. Since this is a rather big problem it is important to make it measurable but it is yet more important to fulfil the level 1 Success Criteria so the reader can govern the contrast by him- or herself. DISCUSSION: That is a user agent issue. Out of scope. RECOMMENDATION: Close issue. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1498. 1.4 L2 SC3 - suggested rewording The following proposal resulted from a report on the impact of not setting baseline and writing success criterion as functional outcomes: GL 1.4 level 2 success criterion 3: Users can disable background audio that plays automatically on a page so that it does not interfere with text reading software they may be using Impacted: yes <proposed>"A mechanism is available to turn off background audio that plays automatically so that the audio does not interfere with text-reading software that may be in use.</proposed> DISCUSSION: Agree RECOMMENDATION: Adopt rewording. ----------------------------- ISSUE: 1081. Also, who came up with the 20 dB (or 4 X louder) foreground/background audio figure? Are there any data to back this up as being sufficient? DISCUSSION: Multiple people confirm this value. From audio industry and from Gallaudet. RECOMMENDATION: Close issue. Gregg ------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison <http://trace.wisc.edu/> FAX 608/262-8848 s For a list of our list discussions http://trace.wisc.edu/lists/
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