- From: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
- Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:10:44 -0700
- To: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
- CC: wcag <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <4140F104.9060304@oracle.com>
Links to Jason's characteristics post:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0518.html
Cheers,
-Kerstin
Kerstin Goldsmith wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I agreed to an action item last week during a small sub-group meeting
> meant for brainstorming the "conformance profile" idea. I think it's
> a valid exercise to try to come up with live examples of different
> kinds of web content implementations (see the list below) - both on
> intranets and on the internet - in order to then apply our current
> working draft success criteria to them to see if there are, in fact,
> as some people have posited, certain kinds of web content where
> specific success criteria should not/would not apply. The biggest
> "type" of web content in question, or at least the one getting the
> most press on the phone and on the list, is the "intranet web
> application using lots of javascript and relying on specific versions
> of browsers and AT to run accessibly" that SAP, Oracle, MS, and IBM
> have brought up. One of the goals of the exercise will be to come up
> with a matrix based on profiles of success criteria applicability. I
> do not believe that the only goal of the exercise will be to list
> conformance profiles just as "types," however -- it's possible that
> the exercise will lead us to very different outcomes, one of which
> could be Jason's proposal to group profiles according to
> characteristics rather than "types." Still, working from real
> examples will allow us some insight into applicability of the WCAG 2.0
> success criteria, and will allow us to further debate different
> possible types of conformance.
>
> So, here's what I am looking for:
> - volunteers to add to the list of live examples below
> - volunteers to create matrices of wcag 2.0 sc applicability to
> the examples
> - volunteers to possibly link the above to Jason's list of
> characteristics
> - volunteers to think of other possible ways to group different
> web content, or different applicability of wcag 2.0 sc???
>
> Once we have volunteers, maybe we can meet and divy the work according
> to peoples' preferences?
>
> Looking forward to comments and volunteers,
> Cheers,
> -Kerstin
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Brainstorming about conformance profiles
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:47:47 -0700
> From: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
> Organization: Oracle Corporation
> To: wendy@w3.org
> CC: Alex Li <alex.li@sap.com>, JasonW
> <jasonw@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, Michael Cooper
> <michaelc@watchfire.com>, Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>,
> Becky Gibson <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, Gez Lemon
> <gl@juicystudio.com>
> References: <412E645E.7080101@w3.org> <4133530A.4000407@w3.org>
>
>
>
> In the spirit of trying to just send out what I was able to come up
> with in half an hour, here is a start:
>
> Possible Types of Conformance Profiles with real live examples:
>
>
>
> - Documentation:
>
> Oracle Online Documentation for JDeveloper 10g:
>
> http://helponline.oracle.com/jdeveloper/help/state?navSetId=jdeveloper&navId=0&destination=
>
>
> - "Simple" Website:
>
> is there any such thing as a plain website anymore?
>
> Access Board:
> http://www.access-board.gov/
>
>
> - Web Applications:
>
> A true corporate/enterprise application often runs only on
> intranets -- it replaces client-server technology with web technology,
> such that financials, HR, timesheets, etc.. are all managed through a
> browser and a central webserver .... I cannot find an externally
> available example of this .... Alex, Andi, anyone?
>
>
> - Newspapers, News sites, Magazines:
>
> CNN
> AOL
> NY Times
> Economist
>
>
>
> - Email
>
> Hotmail
> http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
> - Blogs
>
>
>
> - Wikis
>
> http://www.Wikipedia.com
>
>
> - Search Engines
>
> Google
> http://www.google.com
>
> Yahoo
> http://www.yahoo.com
>
>
> - e-commerce:
>
> AMAZON.COM, of course
> http://www.amazon.com
>
> eBay
> http://www.eba
>
>
> - Libraries
>
> Library of Congress:
> http://www.loc.gov/
>
> Telaviv University Library:
> http://www.tau.ac.il/cenlib/index_eng.shtml
>
>
> - Huge Corporate Website Portals -- Informational versus
> e-commerce
>
> Sony
> http://sony.com/
>
> Oracle
> http://www.oracle.com/index.html
>
>
> - Research databases
>
> http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/
>
>
> Followup questions:
> - Can these be broken out into characteristics ... per Jason's
> suggestion?
>
> - How do the guidelines apply to these?
>
> Wendy, let me know how you would like to proceed -- I can take one of
> the above action items, but again, timeline????
>
> Wendy Chisholm wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Here is the information for today's call:
>> 10:00 PM UTC (6:00 PM New York, 11:00 PM London, Tuesday 8:00 AM
>> Melbourne)
>> Phone: +1.617.761.6200, conference 83261
>> IRC: irc.w3.org:6665 #wai-wcag
>>
>> Related reading:
>> 1. Jason's message from Saturday
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0490.html>
>>
>> 2. "baseline" as previously used in Guideline 4.2
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-WCAG20-20030624/#declare-technology>
>>
>> 3. "Questions related to device capabilities"
>> Issue 214. Closed. Reopen?
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=214>
>>
>> 4. 'ambiguity with "widely" available and use of "baseline"'
>> Issue 444. Closed. Reopen?
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=444>
>>
>> 5. 'Keyboard access for devices that have no AT'
>> Issue 244. Open.
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=244>
>>
>> 6. 'Divvying up responsibility for keyboard access'
>> Issue 561. Open.
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=561>
>>
>> 7. User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 1.0
>> Section 3.1 Conformance profiles
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/conformance.html#conformance-profiles>
>>
>> 8. Mobile SVG Profiles: SVG Tiny and SVG Basic
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/>
>> discuss conformance in appendix:
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/#sec-conformance>
>>
>> 9. XHTML Abstract Modules (modules - similar to profiles?)
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_xhtmlmodules>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> --wendy
>>
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