- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:08:45 -0500
- To: 'Sailesh Panchang' <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, 'Jason White' <jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, 'Web Content Accessibility Guidelines' <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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In 1.0 it was priority 1,2,3 based on user need In 2.0 the dividing line between core and extended is not user need but whether it involved constraining the content or presentation. Core do not make you change the document visually - just mark it up or add hidden text (or audio) equivalents. There are many extended checkpoints that are VERY important. The closes thing we have to P1 and P2 was the two levels of implementation for each checkpoint. But the discussion of late has been to drop those. The result is (or would be if we have no levels) that we do not have any priority rating or indications of importance. It is true that all the core checkpoints are important. But it is not true that all the important checkpoints are core. We need to think about this.. I like the simpler form we have - but I worry that the simplicity is coming at the expense of completeness or proper comprehension of the checkpoints. Perhaps instead of core and extended we should name them something like - content neutral - content amending or something. I wouldn't suggest those terms but you get the idea... I just can't think of the right terms off the top of my head. Thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:02 AM To: Jason White; Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Subject: Conformance levels and core /extended I do not see how the "impossible/difficult/easier approach worked out in WCAG 1.0" corresponding to P1, P2, P3 terms is different from core and extended. Core checkpoints signify that they are vital to accessibilitty just as the P1 or "impossible to access" checkpoints indicated in 1.0. What is termed as extended now are supposed to enhance accessibility/usability just as P2 and P3 checkpoints did. I fail to see how they are "very different" from the P1, p2 scheme and why the WCAG1 scheme is "untenable". If "conceptions of conformance levels have changed so radically " since 1.0, these are not brought out in the WCAG 2.0 requirements doc nor explained in the WCAG 2. I believe it is really important to convey these differences especially to advocate transition from WCAG 1 to 2.0. Can I turn to some document for the new concepts underlying WCAG 2? Nor have the terms core and extended been defined anywhere in WCAG 2.0. The choice of terms "core" and "extended" certainly need further deliberation and justification. Sailesh Panchang On Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:07 AM Jason White <mailto:jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> wrote Subject: Re: Conformance levels and best practices "Others have argued, however, that precisely because the conceptions of conformance levels have changed so radically between WCAG 1.0 and WCAG 2.0, the same terms (Priority 1, Priority 2 and Priority 3) should not be carried forward into the 2.0 document, as this would create confusion for those who are already acquainted with the 1.0 conformance structure and its definitions. In developing WCAG 2.0, the distinctions underpinning the 1.0 priority definitions were subjected to detailed, critical scrutiny, with the result that the working group decided they were no longer tenable for purposes of the 2.0 document, and that a new set of distinctions was needed to classify checkpoints and success criteria in constructing the 2.0 conformance scheme. The argument for new terminology, then, is that unless different terms were used, readers acquainted with 1.0 would construe 2.0 as following the same, or a similar, system of priorities and conformance levels as WCAG 1.0, and would make policy decisions and claims about accessibility on that erroneous, but tempting, presupposition. The new terminology is supposed to signal the fact that the 2.0 categories of core and extended are very different from the 1.0 priorities, and that the impossible/difficult/easier approach worked out in the 1.0 conformance scheme does not apply to 2.0." My purpose in stating these arguments is not to defend them, though I do happen to find them persuasive, but to attempt to recapitulate the reasons which led the working group to the conclusion that new terminology was needed and that retention of the old terminology would do more harm than good. Comments, counter-arguments and proposals are, of course, most welcome. If anyone is dissatisfied with the working group's prior decisions on this matter, the issue should be re-opened in the context of our ongoing conformance discussion. " On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Sailesh Panchang wrote: > > 1. I believe the words Priority 1, 2 and 3 with their definitions conveyed that the focus of the checkpoints was on successively increasing levels of accessibility ... vital -essential-desirable for accessibility, in a way better than that conveyed by the terms coreand extended. Admittedly, there are different perspectives on the priority levels assigned to some checkpoints in WCAG1. But a P3 checkpoint enhances accessibility and therefore usability and shows the way ahead as is intended for "best practices". So why not stick with the terms P1, P2 and P3... it will also be "backward compatible"... Goal 6 for WCAG2 in requirements doc. The required success criteria should be categorized as P1 or P2 or P3.
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