- From: Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG <rscano@iwa-italy.org>
- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:57:08 +0100
- To: <ishida@w3.org>, <w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org>, <public-i18n-geo@w3.org>
- Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
The same problem would also be present in all the contents. For example, if we have an ALT attribute like this: "Image of Piazza San Marco" in a "normal" page defined in english, it would be: Image of <span lang="it">Piazza San Marco</span> but if we move this inside an ALT attribute, it cannot be: <image src=" .... " alt="Image of <span lang="it">Piazza San Marco</span>" /> and cannot also be, for example: <a href= "...." title="Link to the Image of <span lang="it">Piazza San Marco</span>">....</a> I hope that you understand my poor english :) Roberto Scano IWA/HWG EMEA Coordinator W3C Advisory Committee Representative for IWA/HWG International Webmasters Association / HTML Writers Guild http://www.iwanet.org - http://www.hwg.org E-Mail: emea@iwanet.org - w3c-rep@iwanet.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org> To: <w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org>; <public-i18n-geo@w3.org> Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: FW: acronym in title... Dear I18N IG and GEO TF, Please see the attached note for a real-life instance of a person wanting to apply markup (span and abbr) within the <title> element. (This element only supports PCDATA in HTML4.01 and XHTML2.0). The need below is raised due to accessibility concerns. There may also be requirements to apply other phrasal markup, for example a span to support bidi attributes in Arabic and Hebrew contexts. I'd like to propose that the HTML group introduce support for phrasal markup in the title element in XHTML 2.0 (I assume it's too late for HTML 4.01). We can also make this request more generic. In a recent paper I argued that dtd designers should avoid putting ANY localisable text into attributes where possible. An example of this is the alt attribute in HTML 4.01. The text in alt sometimes needs span or bdo elements to support bidirectionality or language changes (particularly for voice browsers). In principle other phrasal tags could be useful too, such as em. To assist localisation it would also be very useful to be able to attach an id to the alt text. (In DTDs I design myself, I have used an image element that includes separate graphic and alt elements to get around this.) Although it perhaps presents a somewhat more difficult case, the title attribute calls for the same treatment. In addition, it is quite possible that the title text is in a different language to the text in the element to which it is attached. How do you make that clear if the title text is in an attribute? So I'm proposing that we ask the HTML group to consider: 1. allowing phrasal markup on the title element for XHTML2 2. avoiding the use of attributes containing localisable text wherever feasible Comments? Thoughts? RI ============ Richard Ishida W3C tel: +44 1753 480 292 http://www.w3.org/International/ http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG Sent: 11 March 2003 09:47 To: WCAG List Subject: acronym in title... I forward the question of an IWA member: ---- I have a small issue that I am hoping you can help me with. I am trying to create web pages with the new standard XTML, following the rules for accessibility set down by WCAG and Internationalizations.. 1) Example: "<title>Home Page - Spiegazioni della direttiva WCAG del World Wide Web Consortium</title>" On this example there is a mix of english words and italian words because the page is wrote in italian language and is related to argument that could not be translated in italian. I can understand that I can use "Pagina Principale" instead of "Home Page" even if is not so nice, but I should use <acronym> for WCAG and english spelling for "World Wide Web Consortium". I repeat this is only an example but the concept is: how can I switch language or how can I show acronyms inside "string" attribute?
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