- From: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:12:34 -0500
- To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Hello, With the upcoming holidays, these proposals will remain open until 9 January. After that time if no comments have been received about a proposal or the comments are editorial tweaks that don't cause controversy the proposal will be incorporated into the next possible internal working draft. Proposals that can not be resolved via discussion on the mailing list will be discussed at a future WCAG WG teleconference. Comment #1 WWAAC (via David Poulson and Colette Nicolle) , 4 Nov 2002 [1] Benefits: 'Distractibility problems' could be reworded to say 'individuals who are easily distracted'. Proposal #1 Accept the proposed rewording so that the 2nd benefit reads, "Individuals who are easily distracted may not be able to focus on page content with flicker occurring in the same visual field." ============ Comment #2 Terry Thompson, 21 Oct 2002 [2] IBM (via Andi Snow-Weaver), 29 Oct 2002 [4] Why is the high end of the dangerous flicker rate 49Hz? 508 recommends 55Hz. We should be consistent with that. Proposal #2 - In the success criteria, use the interval: "between 2 Hz to 55 Hz." - Reword Benefit #1 to read: "Individuals with photosensitive epilepsy can have seizures triggered by flickering or flashing of 3 flashes per second (Hertz) or faster with a peak sensitivity at 20 flashes per second. An upper limit of 55 Hz is used to be consistent with other guidelines." Rationale: Harding said (in a private email), "Current guidelines ban flicker above 3/sec with no upper limit, 15% are still sensitive at 60 Hz." British broadcasters have not set an upper limit (with a couple exceptions) as outlined in the "Photo-Sensitive Epilepsy (PSE) Guidelines." http://www.films.demon.co.uk/online/pse.html WCAG 1.0 uses the interval: 4 to 59 flashes per second. While the low end is not low enough, the high end (59Hz) is closer to Harding's recommendation. However, 508 originally contained no upper limit but this was opposed and changed to 55 Hz in the final rule. Thus, to be consistent with 508, the proposal is to use 55 Hz as the upper limit. http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/508standards.htm ============== Comment #3 Sun (via Earl Johnson), 27 Oct 2002 [3] On #3 in Level 2: if it is kept as a criteria consider changing it to a Level 3 criteria. (note that in the 28 august draft, this became #4) commenting on the statement, "(tougher test - that would make pages pass with even slower equip. Equip might be old or just slow for other reasons)" Proposal #3 Either delete this or change it to read, "Reviewer's note: we might propose a tougher test that would make pages pass with even slower equipment. Equipment might be old or just slow for other reasons." Rationale: It appears to be an unfinished thought or a note. If someone can clean this up better than I can, please do. ============ Comment #4 IBM (via Andi Snow-Weaver), 29 Oct 2002 [4] Minimum success criteria: Since all success criteria must be testable, and item 1b implies that 1a cannot be tested, item 1a should not be included as a success criteria. Proposal #4 rewrite the minimum to read: 1. At least one of the following is true: a. content does not flicker or flash. b. flickering or flashing of content is not between 3 Hz and 55 Hz. c. if flicker is unavoidable, the user is warned of the flicker before they go to the content, and as close a version of the content as is possible without flicker is provided. Reviewer's Note: A tool currently exists to test television broadcasts but does not yet test Web content. We're looking into how such a test and/or tool might be designed. Rationale: 1b was a reviewer's note about a tool. Since it seems the only way to test for flicker is with a tool, it made sense to apply it to all three criteria. 1a was added for completeness. ============ Comment #5 IBM (via Andi Snow-Weaver), 29 Oct 2002 [4] Level 2 success criteria: Items # 1 and # 2 should be moved to Level 3. (in the 28 august draft these are now #3 and #2) Level Items #2 and #3 currently read: 2. content that might create a problem has been tested [using XYZ tool]; only pages with unavoidable flicker remain and appropriate warnings along with a close alternative presentation have been provided for these pages. 3. a conformance claim associated with the content asserts conformance to this checkpoint at level 2 Proposal #5 delete #2 Rationale: #2 is the same as the minimum level: if pages contain flicker then you have to the warn the user. #3 will be reworded in the new draft per the resolution to reword or remove these types of claims ala the resolution outlined at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2002OctDec/0044.html ============ Comment #6 Phill Jenkins [5] move success criteria for 2.3 from the minimum and level 2, to level 3 only, such that it includes the existing criteria of not "visibly or purposely flicker between 3 and 49 Mhz", etc. Proposal #6 This issue requires follow-up with Phill since he is saying that Checkpoint 2.3 should not have any minimum level or level 2 success criteria - only level 3. Check back with him after we discuss the rest of the proposals in this message. =========== Comment #7 Phill Jenkins [5] Web examples of "bad flicker" be identified and evaluated such that common testable characteristics be identified. In other words, further the science here for the benefit of the browsers and authors and especially evaluation tools testing for compliance. The work referenced by Wendy of Professor G. Harding and the HardingFPA system from Cambridge Research Systems is mostly, if not all about traditional TV broadcast images and needs to be applied to the Web browsers and content. Proposal #7 Yes. This should be done. Gregg and I have been in contact with Cambridge Research Systems and hopefully someone a tool will emerge that analyzes Web content for flicker. =========== Comment #8 After comments 6 and 7 are closed, re-open a work item for the ER interest/working group. Proposal #8 It is a requirement of WCAG 2.0 that success criteria be testable, thus this is a work item for the WCAG WG not the ERT WG. Thus, whatever the results of 6 and 7, the work be done by WCAG WG and incorporated into a draft of WCAG 2.0. =========== Comment #9 SAP (via Audrey Weinland), 31 Oct 2002 [6] "content was not designed to flicker (or flash) in the range of 3 to 49 Hz." Could you include a visual example? Proposal #9 We will have to provide strong disclaimers. I would prefer to provide examples of content that meets the requirements (e.g., good examples). However, people want to know what it looks like and want to test their tools. Here is an example from a webaim tutorial. Please be careful looking at this image!!! http://www.webaim.org/contentobjects/tutorials/seizuregraphic Thanks, --wendy [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2002OctDec/0135.html [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2002OctDec/0080.html [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2002OctDec/0111.html [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2002OctDec/0117.html [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2002Dec/0000.html [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2002OctDec/0130.html -- wendy a chisholm world wide web consortium web accessibility initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI/ /--
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