- From: john_slatin <john_slatin@forum.utexas.edu>
- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:16:30 -0600
- To: "'Lee Roberts'" <leeroberts@roserockdesign.com>, john_slatin <john_slatin@forum.utexas.edu>, "'WCAG List'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Thanks, Lee. That was a really clear explanation and I appreciate it! John John Slatin, Ph.D. Director, Institute for Technology & Learning University of Texas at Austin 1 University Station G9600 FAC 248C Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, f 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu web http://www.ital.utexas.edu -----Original Message----- From: Lee Roberts [mailto:leeroberts@roserockdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:08 pm To: 'john_slatin'; 'WCAG List' Subject: RE: 5.2 Both JAWS and Window-Eyes use the Internet Explorer engine. That means that there, in fact, is only one implementation. That also means that only persons using Windows would be able to access the information. With that fact we are forcing people to use a specific operating system as Lisa was pointing out. Therefore, it would not be conceivable to say that the site is accessible when, with all due respect, it is not and probably never would be. To turn around and say that a person now has to purchase a Windows operating system to browse the Internet then gives some organizations the right to demand that a person follow their precepts to use their site. That, again, is inaccessible. Even with all the people in the world that use Windows/IBM Clone systems, there are still a large part of the population that uses other systems like Mac and all the flavors of *nix. We are basically telling them that unless they move to a Windows operating system we will not allow them to use the Internet. By requiring that there be two independent implementations, we are stating that we do not care what operating system the person is on or what user agent they choose to use. What we are requiring is that people become aware of the facts the user agents are built upon. Flash, only as a good example, will never be accessible until separate implementations of the accessibility features are supported without using Windows. Sincerely, Lee Roberts President/CEO 405-321-6372 Rose Rock Design, Inc. http://www.roserockdesign.com -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of john_slatin Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:39 AM To: 'Lee Roberts'; WCAG List Subject: RE: 5.2 I'm not sure I understand this, Lee. JAWS 4.5 supports Flash MX through MSAA; so does Window-Eyes, a competing product. Flash MX includes features designed to support accessibility. Are you saying that a developer who uses Flash MX cannot make a conformance claim even if the Flash content is accessible to people who are using both Window-Eyes and JAWS? If this is in fact what we're saying, it worries me-- it sounds like we might be raising the bar to an impossible height. John John Slatin, Ph.D. Director, Institute for Technology & Learning University of Texas at Austin 1 University Station G9600 FAC 248C Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, f 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu web http://www.ital.utexas.edu -----Original Message----- From: Lee Roberts [mailto:leeroberts@roserockdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:18 pm To: WCAG List Subject: RE: 5.2 The reasoning for two independent implementations was to limit the concept that one group would benefit while another would not. At least that was my goal when Jason and I proposed this wording. There was to be included a segment that stated that no one could claim an accessible status if they required tools that were built upon the same engine. Therefore, any tool using the Internet Explorer engine would have to be considered when the other tool used the same engine. It was also pointed out that there is only one user agent that supports the MSAA required by Flash MX. I believe that was Window-Eyes. Therefore, any site that wanted to claim an accessible status using Flash MX would not be able to do such. At least until another user agent provided the access for Flash MX and did not require the MSAA or the Internet Explorer engine. (NOTE: not trying to pick on Flash) Sincerely, Lee Roberts President/CEO 405-321-6372 Rose Rock Design, Inc. http://www.roserockdesign.com
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