- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:51:46 -0500 (EST)
- To: <gian@stanleymilford.com.au>
- cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
I suspect that the majority of accesskey users aren't people who use alt text
to find out about images, but are visual users. I like the practice of
providing somewhere (e.g. via a link, or the way that it is done by
http://www.globalformats.com as an option) information about all the
accesskeys - the major problem for blind users in particular is that by the
time they have scanned all the links to find the acceskeys they don't need
to have known them unless they keep coming back, whereas fora visual user
this kind of presentation is often fine.
cheers
Charles
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 gian@stanleymilford.com.au wrote:
I have always shown that accesskeys are available by including them in
the alt text of an image (that is a link) and including them in the
title attribute of text links. For accesskeys in forms I have always
specified what accesskeys are what in the introductory information at
the beginning of the form.
-----Original Message-----
From: charles [mailto:charles@w3.org]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:02 PM
To: Gian Sampson-Wild
Cc: w3c-wai-gl
Subject: Re: accesskey shortcuts.
This shouldn't go in the guidelines as a permamnent requirement. But
until
more browsers are smarter about adapting the accesskeys to their own
capabilities it is a useful technique - they are certainly the most
widely
available keys.
For browsers that do a reasonable job of accesskeys there are plenty
more
though - and it is possible to implement accesskeys in a way that makes
tsomething available for the user to find out what they are, and be able
to
use any control that has an accesskey assigned without having to
restrict
them this far - there is a lot of value in having mnemonic accesskeys,
and as
someone who uses them a lot (in iCab, where it is just the key with no
alt or
ctrl or whatever) I appreciate the functionality.
cheers
Charles
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 gian@stanleymilford.com.au wrote:
When using accesskeys I have always stuck to the numbers zero through
to
nine - the reason being that the other ascii keys are used with the
Alt
key (or Apple key on Macs) in various instances. Perhaps we should
include this in the guidelines?
Gian
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathew.Mirabella [mailto:Mathew.Mirabella@team.telstra.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:43 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl
Subject: form controls: acesskey shortcuts.
All.
A further query and item for discussion.
Excluding the provision of a separate page with a list of accesskeys,
how do
you highlight the fact that keyboard accesskey shortcuts are available
without making dramatic changes to a page.
An example:
<label for="username">Username:</label> <input name="username"
id="username" type="text" value="" size="30" tabindex="1"
accesskey="u">
I have seen one way to indicate to users that there is a keyboard
shortcut
combination. Place some text on the page explaining the
alt-combination
shortcuts, and also underline the respective character in the text of
the
label. What are your thoughts on the following example of underlining
characters.
...<span style="text-decoration: underline;>U</span>sername...
This is, of course, visual, and not descriptive to a screen reader
user.
So
there are problems with doing this without non-visual equivalents. It
would
also be a problem with links, as link text is supposed to be
underlined.
Maybe you could use a bolded character instead of an underlined
character?
What do you all think?
Cheers.
mat.
Mat Mirabella
Telstra Research
03 9253 6712
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