- From: Liam McGee <liam@communis.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:46:51 +0000
- To: public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org
- CC: EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
Dear Loretta, thanks for your response to my comment. The change does not deal with the problem raised in my original comment, thus I continue to be dissatisfied with this SC. I have modified my comments in the light of the revision you have made and re-presented them below. Hope they make sense... please email if clarification is required. The new SC 1.4.7 referred to in your response (appended at the end of this email); 1.4.8 in the Nov 2007 editor's draft; requires that for the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism available to achieve the following: "text is resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally to read a line of text " Problem 1: ---------- Horizontal scrolling is not an accessibility issue (or, at least, I have no evidence that this is the case from experience with users with disabilities) - horizontal scrolling does not prevent a user from accessing information any more than vertical scrolling does. I am well used to scrolling all over the viewport when using screen magnification software, for example. This *is* a usability issue, but it does not prevent access to information. More critically, the need for horizontal scrolling depends on the pixel-width of the viewport, and this is *impossible for the designer to control*. A moderately long word (or a URL) on a PDA will easily fail this - and some languages have a lot of long words. Proposed Change: ---------------- Suggested change: replace "in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally" with "while remaining readable to the user" Problem 2: ---------- "line spacing is at least space-and-a-half within paragraphs, and paragraph spacing is larger than line spacing [LC- 569]" Query: ------ I am interested in the research basis for this requirement. Leading/line height/line spacing is important to legibility but optimal leading is proportional to line length, and excessive leading has been shown to *diminish* legibility (Burt C. (1955): A Psychological Study of Typography; Cambridge University Press, Cambridge). Rehe's research suggested optimal leading ranges of 1 to 4 points, with heavier typefaces requiring more leading (Rehe RF (1974). Typography: how to make it most legible. Indiana: Design Research International). Many reviews of the area simply conclude that evidence is sketchy at best, and that more robust research (especially into on-screen legibility) is required. If we consider Rehe's argument that increasing beyond 1.4 reduces legibility, then 1.5 seems a funny number to pick. Of course, you may have some fantastic research to back up the 1.5 choice, but I'd be interested to know what it was. Many thanks, and keep up the good work Liam McGee Loretta Guarino Reid wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 1: Preferment of liquid over elastic design for accessibility reasons > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2007Jul/0231.html > (Issue ID: 2356) > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Firstly, the need for horizontal scrolling depends on the pixel-width > of the viewport. This is not under the designer's control > > Secondly, this is in any case problematic as a long word (or a URL) in > a columnar layout will easily fail this (loss of content as the layout > breaks). This may be even worse in languages where long words are a > common occurrence. In a layout context, it is saying "a word may not > be more than half the width of a column". > > Thirdly, horizontal scrolling is certainly a usability issue, but not > an accessibility issue - horizontal scrolling does not prevent a user > from accessing info (or at least, no more than vertical scrolling > does). I would rather scroll horizontally then have headings and URLs > become unreadable - which really is an accessibility issue. I am well > used to scrolling all over the viewport when using screen mag > software, for example. > > Proposed Change: > Suggested change: remove "and in a way that does not require the user > to scroll horizontally" > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > We have addressed this problem in a different way. We have removed SC > 1.4.7 (Reflow). All the techniques from the success criterion are also > sufficient techniques for SC 1.4.4 (Resize text) and are listed there. > The other aspects of SC 1.4.7 are covered by a new success criterion > that addresses readability of text: > > "For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is > available to achieve the following: (Level AAA) > > * foreground and background colors can be selected by the user > * width is no more than 80 characters > * text is not aligned on both the left and the right [LC-1253] > [LC-569 (add)] > * line spacing is at least space-and-a-half within paragraphs, > and paragraph spacing is larger than line spacing [LC- 569] > * text is resized without assistive technology up to 200 > percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally > to read a line of text "
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