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Re: Questions about Evaluating Web Sites...

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:45:05 -0400 (EDT)
To: "Jean-Marie D'Amour" <jmdamour@videotron.ca>
cc: Chuck Letourneau <cpl@starlingweb.com>, <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@snv.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205240944150.20277-100000@tux.w3.org>
Yes, this is a big limitation for the Web for people who use Jaws. Do you
know if it works when you use the following style rule in a user style sheet:

del { text-decoration: underline }



On Fri, 24 May 2002, Jean-Marie D'Amour wrote:

  Hello Chuck,

  In fact, in the virtual PC mode, the only attribute that JAWS mention is
  underline, all others are normal.

  It is a limitation for the Web because in Word this function works fine.


  A 07:49 2002-05-24, Jean-Marie D'Amour a écrit :
  >Hello Chuck,
  >JAWS is unable to read the del element and the configuration that ask JAWS
  >to say atribute changes is inoperant with the del visual apperance.
  >Jean-Marie D'Amour
  >A 22:07 2002-05-23, Chuck Letourneau a écrit :
  >>You can view the copy of the "Evaluating Web Sites for Accessibility"
  >>draft that I captured for editing at: http://www.starlingweb.com/wai/eval1.htm
  >>In some places I have used the del element of HTML to show replaced text.
  >>If this is annoying (or inaccessible) I will remove it. I have not
  >>highlighted new text.
  >>I have started working from the change log entries
  >>[http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/impl/changelog.html] for the eval
  >>doc.  As I expected, the editing raises further questions.
  >>1. For instance, I made the changes for the edit suggested by this entry
  >>in the change log:
  >>         3.2.2 more diversity in tool examples [20011022]
  >>         [20020410] remove the "as above" in comprehensive,  and repeat
  >> it explicitly in comprehensive review (re-cite the external ref list);
  >>I think the change (i.e. repeating the list) does improve
  >>comprehension.  However, similar constructs (i.e. references to lists in
  >>Preliminary Review) appear in and  Question: if we
  >>explicitly repeat the list of tools/steps for 3.2.2, shouldn't we repeat
  >>them for these points as well?
  >>2. Regarding 2.2.3, the change log states
  >>         clarify purpose of changing the font size (2.2.3) [20011030]
  >>         [20020410] (1) [done/cl/20020523:clarify _will_ the font size
  >> change on the screen accordingly; and is the page still usable.
  >>I interpreted the point in this way: "use browser controls to vary
  >>font-size: verify that the font size changes on the screen accordingly;
  >>and that the page is still usable at larger font sizes."  Comments?
  >>3. Regarding 2.2.5:
  >>         questioning what printing page accomplishes (2.2.5) [20011030]
  >>         [20020412] it is useful for some people, so we will leave this
  >> in, however it's not required and you don't have to use it.
  >>My concern isn't with the change log comment (which I agree with). The
  >>point currently reads "change the display color to black and white (or
  >>print out page on black and white printer) and observe whether color
  >>contrast is adequate."
  >>Question: Isn't black and white (i.e. 2-color) display or printing
  >>unrealistic or extreme?  Would this be better as "change the display
  >>color to gray-scale (or print out page on a gray-scale printer) and
  >>observe whether color contrast is adequate." ?
  >>4. Regarding 2.2.6 - I made the change suggested in the change log:
  >>         clarify without the mouse (2.2.6) [20011030]
  >>         [20020412] agreed, change to without using the mouse
  >>I think this point has further problems, even after the suggested
  >>change.  I think the following wording would improve it: "without using
  >>the mouse tab through the links and form controls on a page, making sure
  >>that you can access all links and form controls, and that the links
  >>clearly indicate what they lead to and form control labels clearly
  >>identify their purpose."  Actually, I think the latter part of this point
  >>should be a separate bullet... the availability of links and controls is
  >>a separate issue from link and label clarity.
  >>Chuck Letourneau
  >Jean-Marie D'Amour M.Éd.
  >CAMO pour personnes handicapées

  Jean-Marie D'Amour M.Éd.
  CAMO pour personnes handicapées

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