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Re: 2.1 a-d: Link Recognition by Reserved Attribute?

From: David Durand <dgd@cs.bu.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:29:14 -0500
Message-Id: <v03007804af33a4db980e@[]>
To: w3c-sgml-wg@w3.org
At 8:25 AM -0600 2/21/97, len bullard wrote:
>Peter Flynn wrote:
>> David Durand writes:
>> > And we don't need to drag HyTime in to explain that.
>> Amen.
>Dead wrong.
>First, "drag in" is inflamatory not helpful.  If it is an
>arch form, then referencing ISO 10744 does not hurt.
>Second, when SGML Lite is established by ISO, it makes
>the relationship clear and concise.

I meant that if we are taking a significantly shrunken subset of HyTime
Architectural Forms [for instance, I think we can and should avoid any
restrictions on content models], then it may be simpler to explain what we
are doing directly, rather than pointing at HyTime, and explaining the

   If you are defining a scripting language containing only the commands
"if-then-else", expressions, variable assignment and "while" loops,
pointing to C++ and saying what to ignore is not a productive explanatory
strategy. You might mention that C++ compaitibility is a goal, but that
would be additional information for the intersted, not part of the core

   "Drag in" was intended to say that making normative reference to
irrelevant information is bad. In a separate message (maybe the same, for
all I remember) I clearly advocated retaining a reference to HyTime, and
it's AF facilities. I personally think it was a mistake to try to
standardise them for applicability beyond HyTime, but they exist and we
should not hide that fact. I'm not trying to supress the HyTime links --
HyTime has been very influential in forming how at least some of us think
about this stuff -- but I do want to make XML, and XML linking stand on
their own, without normative references to ISO standards.

>Y'all are wandering into the weeds of religion and personal
>animosities.  It won't help.

No personal animosity intended, nor religious argument either. I'm
religious about separating declaration and processing (though if we don't
define sufficiently powerful processing, I agree with you, we are SOL). I'm
certainly not religious about HyTime either way. In fact, I'm aggressively
agnostic. I think you may mistrust me because I'm so ready to question
HyTime's specific solutions, but I don't regret having spent the time on it
that I have, nor do I think it should be supressed.

   -- David

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