- From: len bullard <cbullard@hiwaay.net>
- Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 00:27:45 -0600
- To: Jon Bosak <bosak@atlantic-83.Eng.Sun.COM>
- CC: w3c-sgml-wg@www10.w3.org
Jon Bosak wrote: > ...what we seem to be left with is a clear reason to define > a contextual link mechanism for general Internet use in our first link > specification document and a possible case to be made for defining an > independent link mechanism for intranets that we may want to put in a > first link specification document or may want to defer for a later > version. > > Is that right? We need independent links for link management in a multihub hypermedia system where a hub language is any handled type that is hyperlink capable (multimedia). E.g, an Illustrated Parts Breakdown and the supporting graphic sequence (called a Figure, but multiple sheets) contain bi-directional content relationships which are more easily managed with independent links. We do it now with clinks. Hard to maintain. IMO&D, independent links are address records; clinks are controls with local address records. Confusion starts there. Self-awareness is not a good metaphor. Some contributions form the object-oriented community would help here (Derek? Gavin?) HyTime, TEI, FPI, URN, I don't care: ease of management of n-way links is what is needed. What would really help this discussion more than abstractions on linking would be set of IDLs for an XML handler. Define the XML handler public services. For object oriented programmers to build what we say we want, we have to tell them how much the XML spec defines the behavior of the system that handles it? What services do we want from that .dll? What is the XML handler interface to the framework? Location resolution is a framework feature. It's a protocol issue. Protocol implementation is a system implementation. Engineers know this and so demand that a proposal for a protocol always be backed up with the code that runs it. Fact of life these days. o Will XML hyperlinks be designed ad hoc? I have mine, you have yours, etc. That is the current situation with respect to SGML hypertext systems. We all have hyperlinks. o Are we to define minimum interoperability of hyperlink types? o Are we defining types of hyperlinks which are extensible semantically (attribute, GI, whatever) o Are we to develop a set of element types which are XML hyperlinks? (i hope not but it's the easiest punt) Given: If XML wants to define hyperlinks, XML has to provide an implementation of the protocols required to support the hyperlinks or ensure the hyperlinks fit within the constraints of existing protocols. OTH, hyperlinks are not locators. Do we have to design a protocol? Do we need a stateless or a stateful protocol? Both? WWW Today: URL with sub-file target parameters (e.g, #targetname, string du jour) or URL as address type for semantic, e.g, object, img, thingieDuJour). For comparison, here is a VRML anchor: Anchor { eventIn MFNode addChildren #tree operations eventIn MFNode removeChildren exposedField MFNode children exposedField SFString children [ ] #geometry, materials, lights, etc. exposedField SFString description "" #displayed text exposedField MFString parameter [] #value-pairs, eg, frame targets exposedField MFString url [] #get this, target, move-to-viewpoint field bboxCenter 0 0 0 #local space origin field bboxSize -1 -1 -1 #max size local space } We use a similar mechanism in IDE/AS where the link has goodies such as targetname (file), system handler (who gets this), system arguments (commands and command parameters (byte offsets, pixel positions, named objects) all used in the DDE dance). In some cases, (e.g., graphics) all documents of that content type are being handled by a single system (e.g., ImageMaster). Look's like a helper app but not really. It is actually a peer in the sense that it also handles a hub-capable data type where a hub-capable type has hyperlinks. Hub: any notation that is hyperlink capable. How does XML represent hyperlinking services to the other notation handlers? Other hubs? Could we just say, object handlers? o Is this an XML-definable content relationship? o Is this a Java or Active-X interface? Services of objects are defined by the framework. Are we offering an abstraction of that? One way to look at this is to ask, for n-way links what is as the minimal service set available to all hubs in the system? o What are the services of the objects of the framework in which XML handlers operate? o What are the services of the XML handler? o What are the requirements of the XML user that must be implemented in the XML handler services? Requirement: easier management of linked relations (e.g, independent links) Requirement: declare relations among content types without needing to know the handler type at the hyperlink or at least, where that is prioritized and/or negotiated (e.g, location ladders) Uni-directional links are hard to build and maintain for some content types. For example, the relationships between an IPB and the figure sequence to illustrate it are bi-directional. We end up coding every link twice in a domain whose range is bounded by topic, task, part, script, etc. On a good day, twice the maintenance, twice the headaches. The relationships to the procedures which use the IPB/graphic are indexed to the key numbers of the IPB/graphic where the key number names the relationship by local unique id (number list), not logical name. From any content node in this system, there may be collections of nodes which support this with topics (description, task-direction, policy, e-mail, task recording (e.g, collaborative)). o An XML hyperlink designer might want a way to validate a referenced content type. o An XML hyperlink designer might want to say, in this IPB, this table always has a set of view types (graphic primitives in CGM, camera positions in VRML, bitmaps in whatever), or in this procedure, a collection is returned by a query whose parameters are output conditions of the last procedure o An XML hyperlink author might want to say, here is a list of URLs, (priority, aggregate, etc.) XML has to be able to support all of that because XML users need all of that. XML has to support not just the Web, but what the Web is becoming: a business for authoring to the street in one straight no-nonsense publishing path. When books emerged, it was not from academic struggle or desire. It was when certain merchants found it necessary to smuggle records in carts of linen across borders. Then the academics and the merchants had all the books they could have ever wanted. len bullard dec 25, 1996
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