- From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:56:22 +0300
- To: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
Minutes 09 May 2003 date: 20030509 RDF Core Telecon ================ Summary: RESOLUTION SUMMARY ================== to not accept xmlschema-07 tex-01 accepted as clarification, test case added. Typed literals option 4 from msg 0086 xmlsch-01 as in 0252 with amendment. xmlsch-02 addressed by msg 0097. APPROVED COMMENTS ON OWL ======================= jang send comments in 0074 on S+AS. bwm Send rdfcore-np-complete rdfcore-bnodes-restriction from 0099 jang Not send comment on np-completeness bwm Send msg 0124 on OWL Ref. OTHER ACTIONS ============= bwm fix issue list resolution for rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure jjc Make typed literal changes in concepts. jjc Review concepts to make consequential changes concerning typed literals path Review semantics to make changes concerning typed literals jjc Provide anchor for rdf:XMLLiteral to Pat Hayes daveb Change Ntriples to remove language from typed literals daveb Review syntax to make changes concerning typed literals jang Review all tests to make changes concerning typed literals em Review primer to make changes concerning typed literals bwm Review issue list and update those affected. jjc Inform reagle-0[12] raisers of typed literals decision path Tell pfps of change to literals decision jjc Inform I18N-WG of literals decision. bwm Update status of pfps-08 if necessary jjc To send response on xmlsch-01. jang Is inverse of test case 0097 true or not? jjc Updated concepts in lite of xmlsch-02 decision daveb Review syntax and make changes for xmlsch-02. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0076 Transcript: http://www.w3.org/2003/05/09-rdfcore-irc 1: scribe: Jeremy Carroll 2: Roll Call Present: steveP, PatH, PatrickS, jjc, bwm, EMiller, DanC GrahamKlyne, JosD, DanBri (joined late) Regrets: FrankM, MikeDean 3: Review Agenda Agenda approved. 4: Next telecon 16 May 2003 1000 Boston Time Last One before WWW 2003 Volunteer Scribe: JanG (regrets EricM, DanC) 5: Minutes of 02 May 2003 telecon See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0031.html Approved. 6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions 2003-03-14#6 gk review semantics editor 20030425#5 danc figure out the cost to WebOnt of accepting timbl-03 see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0040.html 20030502#1 bwm send the comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0002.html as comments from RDFCore on OWL Reference LCWD see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webont-comments/2003May/0004.html 20030502#2 jang send revised OWL S+AS 2.3.2.1 words to the rdfcore list see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0074.html 20030502#3 gk review 4.1 of AS&S especially the translation to triples table, with an eye on implementation. see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0045.html 20030502#4 jang split s+as comments in 0291 into editorial substantial issues, with issue ids see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0074.html 20030502#5 jjc explain point about use of (restrictions on use of )blank nodes in OWL DL, Lite and propose a comment for OWL see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0070.html 20030502#7 bwm Remind webont co-chairs about timbl-03 issue 20030502#8 eric put timbl-03 issue on the agenda for next SWCG see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2003May/0002.html 20030502#9 bwm add danc-04 to postponed issues list see: http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfs-fyi 20030502#14 bwm allocate a formal comment ID for the rdfs:Schema issue see: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20030123-issues/#eikon-01 20030502#17 jjc make a proposal to the list to treat XMLLiteral like any other datatype see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0016.html All Approved. 7: RDFCore comments on OWL AS+S 20030502#2 jang send revised OWL S+AS 2.3.2.1 words to the rdfcore list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0074.html Discussed and approved, Connolly abstaining. ACTION: jang send comments in 0074 on S+AS. (note ammended below) 20030502#5 jjc explain point about use of (restrictions on use of )blank nodes in OWL DL, Lite and propose a comment for OWL http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0070.html follow ups Brian's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0099.html and DanBri's test case http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0121.html The discussion concerned sending the comments in msg 0099. Concerning owlsas-rdfcore-bnodes-restrictions there was a discussion as to whether to s/request/suggest/ or some other weakening. No such amendment was made. Approved 0099 comment rdfcore-bnodes-restriction with link to foaf use case. Concerning owlsas-rdfcore-np-complete no-one argued against. PatrickS proposed an amendment that text from RDF Semantics [[ Specifications of such syntactically restricted semantic extensions MUST include a specification of their syntactic conditions which are sufficient to enable software to distinguish unambiguously those RDF graphs to which the extended semantic conditions apply. ]] The comment was approved, with no abstentions, or objections. There was insufficient support for owlsas-rdfcore-rules-completely in msg 0099. ACTION: bwm Send rdfcore-np-complete rdfcore-bnodes-restriction from 0099 ACTION: jang Not send comment on np-completeness Further discussion on msg http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0124.html Comment owlref-rdfcore-relationship-to-RDF Discussion concerned 'wild' RDF. Many for, none against, Abstaining: JosD, W3C. Approved: to send msg 0124 on OWL Ref. ACTION: bwm Send msg 0124 on OWL Ref. 20030502#3 gk review 4.1 of AS+S especially the translation to triples table, with an eye on implementation. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0045.html Discussion but no actions or approved comments. 8: Status on Incoming Last Call Comments Agendum skipped. 9: Issue xmlsch-07 datatype definition http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20030123-issues/#xmlsch-07 Formal proposal to not accept this comment as it has been withdrawn by the xml schema group: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0316.html Brian proposes, PatH seconds, no opposition. RESOLVED: to not accept xmlschema-07 10: Issue tex-01 Therefore propose, as was previously agreed and not recorded: - classify tex-01 as a clarification - add the following note to concepts: [[ Note: The case normalization of language tags is part of the description of the abstract syntax, and implicitly the abstract behaviour of RDF applications. It is not intended to constrain an RDF implementation to actually normalize the case. Crucially, the result of comparing two language tags should not be sensitive to the case of the original input. ]] - add the following test cases [[ <rdf:Description> <eg:prop xml:lang="en-us">a</eg:prop> </rdf:Description> entails <rdf:Description> <eg:prop xml:lang="EN-us">a</eg:prop> </rdf:Description> entails <rdf:Description> <eg:prop xml:lang="en-US">a</eg:prop> </rdf:Description> ]] Proposed: jjc, Seconded: PatH, no opposition or abstentions. RESOLVED: tex-01 accepted as clarification, test case added. 11: Issue timbl-03 (rdf:List type triples) Discussion, it was agreed that it was better to postpone for a week. 12: Language tags in typed literals The discussion meandered somewhat. We noticed that the issue list is out of date. ACTION: bwm fix issue list resolution for rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure This msg contains the four options considered. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0096.html Of which option 4, which is in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0086.html was the favourite. There was discussion of whether option 4 would require review from I18N-WG and XML Core. The following text was quoted from the exclusive XML Canonicalization recommendation: "attributes in the XML namespace, such as xml:lang and xml:space are not imported into orphan nodes" PatrickS proposes option 4 from msg 0086. ILRT seconds. Jeremy abstaining. RESOLVED: Typed literals option 4 from msg 0086 ACTION: jjc Make typed literal changes in concepts. ACTION: jjc Review concepts to make consequential changes concerning typed literals ACTION: path Review semantics to make changes concerning typed literals ACTION: jjc Provide anchor for rdf:XMLLiteral to Pat Hayes ACTION: daveb Change Ntriples to remove language from typed literals ACTION: daveb Review syntax to make changes concerning typed literals ACTION: jang Review all tests to make changes concerning typed literals ACTION: em Review primer to make changes concerning typed literals ACTION: bwm Review issue list and update those affected. ACTION: jjc Inform reagle-0[12] raisers of typed literals decision ACTION: path Tell pfps of change to literals decision ACTION: jjc Inform I18N-WG of literals decision. ACTION: bwm Update status of pfps-08 if necessary 13: Issue xmlsch-01 Typed Literal Structure http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0252.html The discussion started on point 3, wondering why we did not give a rationale. It was mentioned that the real rationale was that all other possibilities ended in argument. The phrase "given we don't have the resources" was discussed at length. Connolly proposed the amendment "the working group chose to spend its writing resource on explanatory text and formal specification rather than justification" instead of the above text. Jeremy proposed the text in 252 with this amendment. RESOLVED: xmlsch-01 as in 252 with amendment. ACTION: jjc To send response on xmlsch-01. 14: Issue xmlsch-02 Whitespace facets Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0097.html Discussion of need for more test cases: i.e. opposite of test case in 0097 Where "lit"@type is well-formed a p "lit"@type entails a p _:x . _:x rdf:type rdfs:Literal . Jeremy proposes msg 0097 with additional test cases, connolly seconds Abstention: graham. RESOLVED: xmlsch-02 addressed by msg-0097. ACTION: jang Is inverse of test case 0097 true or not? (In IRC he says "not" 2 minutes and 21 seconds after the action was assigned) These actions are not in IRC added as suggestions from scribe: ACTION: jjc Updated concepts in lite of xmlsch-02 decision ACTION: daveb Review syntax and make changes for xmlsch-02. 15: Semantics Issues Not reached. swebscrape:N3:python:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/scripts/minutes2n3.py
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