- From: Graham Klyne <gk@ninebynine.org>
- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:50:05 +0100
- To: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
RDFCore teleconference: 2003-07-18
[Revised 2003-07-23 with corrected attendance/regrets.
The meeting content details are not changed.]
Time:
10:00:00 Fri Jul 18 2003 in America/New York duration 60 minutes + possible
30 minute extension
which is equivalent to
15:00:00 Fri Jul 18 2003 in Europe/London
Phone: +1-617-761-6200 (Zakim)#7332
irc: irc.w3.org #rdfcore
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0229.html
IRC log: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-07-18.txt
Summary of decisions:
RESOLVED: close pfps-02 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0015
RESOLVED: close pfps-06 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0013
RESOLVED: create a postponed issue to define a layered sublangauge of RDFS
RESOLVED: approve tex-01
RESOLVED: approve horst-01
RESOLVED: approve xmlsch-02 with update noted
Summary of actions:
JJC apply pfps-22/23 changes as agreed last week
JJC remove normative references to RDFS URI
JJC remove references to term "RDF core" in Concepts
BWM create postponed issue to revisit support for internationalization in
the triple structure
BWM draft text for primer and work with Frank to integrate it
JJC add warning to Concepts 3.4 to use XML if markup required
JanG update test case language-and-xml-literal to be positive entailment
BWM create postponed issue to define a layered sublanguage of RDFS
PatH respond further to Pan concerning layered sublanguage postponed issue
JJC Update xmlsch-02 manifest with additional test:entailmentRules
BWM complete last-call dance for Semantics issues, liaising with PatH as
needed
DaveB Draft a conformance statement for an "RDF document"
BWM Review Primer
DaveB Review Primer
BWM Review Schema (after pending edits)
JJC Run ARP against all syntax tests
DaveB Review semantics (after pending edits are applied)
DaveB Revise syntax doc to only references to other document status are in
status and references sections
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1: scribe: GK scribes
2: Roll Call
Present: Brian McBride
Dan Brickley
Dan Connolly
Dave Beckett
Jan Grant
Pat Hayes
Graham Klyne
Jeremy Carroll
Frank Manola
Patrick Stickler
Mike Dean
Jos De Roo
Regrets: Eric Miller
3: Review Agenda
No changes.
4: Next telecon 24 Jul 2003 1000 Boston Time
Volunteer Scribe: danbri
5: Minutes of 11 Jul 2003 telecon
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0173.html
The minutes should show that Martin and Richard were present only for the
second hour of the telecon.
6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
ACTION: 20030627#1 jang
to respond to webont on test cases with a
ACTION: 20030627#3 bwm
to get schema editor to reflect intensional subClassOf/subPropertyOf in
schema spec.
ACTION: 20030627#7 DanC
to inform WebOnt of change to semantics of subClassOf/subPropertyOf.
ACTION: 20030627#11 jjc
to review syntax document at report back by july 4.
ACTION: 20030711#1 path
to respond to pan-01
ACTION: 20030711#2 bwm
to link to the new lBase document from the RDFCore page
ALL CONFIRMED
7: Misc Actions
20030425#10 em carry xmlsch WG's offer of help wrt xmlsch-12 to
semantic web coordination group
20030711#4 danc to get a test case for pfps-09 into OWL test case doc
ALL CONTINUED
8: pfps-22,23
We agreed changes last week.
Propose action jjc to apply the changes and respond to Peter.
ACTION: JJC apply pfps-22/23 changes as agreed last week
Also proposed to drop normative reference to RDFS URI in section 4.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0164.html
ACTION: JJC remove normative references to RDFS URI
Also proposed to excise use of the term "RDF core" as noted by
Frank and discussed on mailing list:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0175.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0176.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0178.html
ACTION: JJC remove references to term "RDF core" in Concepts
9: XML Literal
Suggested steps to address I18N concerns:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0224.html
Also suggested adding text concenring use of extra markup to convey
language information in XML, in context of XHTML rather than more
generally in context of arbitrary XML.
(See also title example in 7.5 of RDF M&S)
ACTION: BWM create postponed issue to revisit support for
internationalization in the triple structure
ACTION: BWM draft text for primer and work with Frank to integrate it
ACTION: JJC add warning to Concepts 3.4 to use XML if markup required
ACTION: JanG update test case language-and-xml-literal to be positive
entailment
http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/datatypes/Manifest.rdf#language-and-xml-literal
10: Closing Semantics Comments
We have proposals to close:
pfps-02
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0015.html
RESOLVED: close pfps-02 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0015
Note, the formal response should contain relevant text as the current
reference is to a document that may change, AND/OR include reference
to archive version of text.
pfps-06
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0013.html
RESOLVED: close pfps-06 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0013
Jeff Pan's response on Pan-01
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JulSep/0040.html
Jeff clarifies comment to be "please define layered subset". Do we wish
to create this as a postponed issue or how else should we respond?
(qu-03 seems also living under this postponed issue for making a sublanguage)
RESOLVED: create a postponed issue to define a layered sublangauge of RDFS
(1 abstain)
ACTION: BWM create postponed issue to define a layered sublanguage of RDFS
ACTION: PatH respond further to Pan concerning layered sublanguage
postponed issue
11: Test cases
Propose approve
http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/tex-01/
http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/xmlsch-02/
http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/horst-01/
xmlsch-02 needs some clarification of entailment scope to deal with
xsd datatypes, for ill-formed literal test.
RESOLVED: approve tex-01
RESOLVED: approve horst-01
RESOLVED: approve xmlsch-02 with update noted
ACTION: JJC Update xmlsch-02 manifest with additional test:entailmentRules
12: Schedule
Completing the process on last call comments
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0213.html
ACTION: BWM complete last-call dance for Semantics issues, liaising with
PatH as needed
Do we need a second last call?
Discussion of document changes, some are arguably substantial:
See IRC log from 14:55:42 (at URI above)
DanC advises: in order to not do another last call,
we'll need to convince The Director that the design we've got
(after all these changes) has been widely reviewed
Please draft PR request... use that as basis of last call decision
Do we need conformance statements?
ACTION: DaveB Draft a conformance statement for an "RDF document"
[Should this be "RDF/XML document"]
Status of documents and reviewing
20030627#11 jjc to review syntax document at report back by july 4.
(Done)
20030627#13 path review concepts document.
20030627#12 jang review concepts document.
ACTION: BWM Review Primer
ACTION: DaveB Review Primer
Primer version to review:
http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-2003LCrevised15July.html
ACTION: BWM Review Schema (after pending edits)
ACTION: JJC Run ARP against all syntax tests
ACTION: DaveB Review semantics (after pending edits are applied)
ACTION: DaveB Revise syntax doc to only references to other document status
are in status and references sections
Document reviews to be complete by 2003-07-25
When will we be ready for the next step?
Aiming to be ready to make WG decision on next step by 2003-08-01
13: Responses to Owl comments
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0128.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0079.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0073.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0161.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0159.html
Not discussed
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