Its approaching two in the morning I need to get up early to start my vacation, but I felt I should add my two cents. Hopefully, everyone will be in agreement when I get back, the standard will be implemented and accepted, and all will be well in the world. Oh yes, I hope it won't rain on me during my pacific northwest bike trip. The key point I want to make is that semantics is pretty much in the eye of the beholder: the reader, the computer algebra system, the theorem proving system, or whatever. Raman and others have refered to this as late binding. If you know who your reader is, then you should be able to convey semantic information to them (Bob's point). In particular, if the writer is going to be the reader (a CAS output that is meant to be used as input to the same CAS), then surely it should be able to disambiguate its output. This is the point of TagBoxes in Mathematica. However, the semantic information useful to one program is very likely to be gibberish to the next. Even for two similar "typed" CASs such as Cayley and Axiom, I doubt that they could share type information. I've heard from several people (many not on this list), that they just want to be able to convey simple semantics (eg, high school level stuff). The notational approach of the Wolfram proposal satisfies that goal: '+', square root, integrals, etc., are all present and I believe that > 99.99% of all notation used up through calculus can be conveyed (in a reasonably natural manner) by the Wolfram proposal. Also, most CASs can compute with this. However, what they compute may not be so easily controlled. \sqrt{4} might return 2, or a set (array, list, ...) -2, 2, etc. Similarly, a simple integral might return its result symbolicly, numerically (to various precisions), or perhaps even return a different result because some system integrate over the real, others over the complexes, others ??? In case it wasn't obvious, my main point is that semantics is not simple, and when it comes to CASs, vary widely, and may not even be consistant within a CAS. The one thing that is nearly universal and well understood is notation. There may be several ways to say the same thing or there might be several interpretations of an ambigious syntax (typically due to ellision). The former is not really a problem and one of the goals of the Wolfram proposal is to require the author to avoid the former by adding a *little* extra information. The last point should not be overlooked: until sophisticated tools exist, people will be forced to author HTML math by hand. I doubt that HTML would have taken off if it had an extremely baroque syntax. If someone has to learn 1,000 new names to author a document, they will find an alternative. The Wolfram proposal requires them to learn about 20 things because there are only a few basic notations used in mathematics. Ultimately, simplicity (along with completeness) may be the most important part of an HTML math standard. I suspect the complexity of SGML's 12083 standard (and its the third? attempt at a standard) is why so little material is authored using it. One last thing to ponder: if mathematical notation is not a good input form, why is it a good output form? I've never heard anyone propose that output should be semantic. The Wolfram proposal, like TeX, represents a linearization of 2-d output. In this sense, they are both trying to represent what is desired within the constraints of a linear input model. [Raman: I apologize that this argument is so display oriented, but I believe that the argument is not inconsistant with speech. People don't speak the semantics, they verbalize the notation]. I'm sorry if this is a bit disconnected, but its late and I'm in a hurry. I hope this makes some sense, Neil SoifferReceived on Thursday, 22 August 1996 05:59:47 UTC
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