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Re: Fwd: draft-hoffman-news-nntp-uri-00.txt

From: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:11:14 -0400
Message-Id: <p06110407bd5283d2a41c@[10.0.1.2]>
To: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org>, "Charles Lindsey" <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk>, uri@w3.org

At 8:39 AM -0700 8/25/04, Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote:
>OK, I need specific suggestions for what to do.

In what form are you editing this.  Is an edited .txt of the full draft
a friendly input form for you and you take the diffs, or what other form
would you prefer?

>Should I go back to the 1738 definitions?

Most likely not.

>If not, exactly what do you think should be in the new document?

I think we need some implementation information.  For this we need some test
material.

Charles, can you come up with proposed RFC text and/or some test instances
of hyperlinks with news: and nntp: URIs as href values?

Fixing the grammar so we haven't broken nntp: is at the top of the
list.  I could probably grok and fix your other bug reports.

I will try to help if it comes to that.

I tried to ask on the WAI-IG list "do we particularly need to keep this up?"
and got some firm affirmatives.  Of course it is not clear whether
people thought I meant News as a service or 'news' URIs as a link notation.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2004JulSep/thread.html#356

Al

>
>--Paul Hoffman
>
>The 1738 definitions are:
>
>----------
>
>3.6. NEWS
>
>    The news URL scheme is used to refer to either news groups or
>    individual articles of USENET news, as specified in RFC 1036.
>
>    A news URL takes one of two forms:
>
>      news:<newsgroup-name>
>      news:<message-id>
>
>    A <newsgroup-name> is a period-delimited hierarchical name, such as
>    "comp.infosystems.www.misc". A <message-id> corresponds to the
>    Message-ID of section 2.1.5 of RFC 1036, without the enclosing "<"
>    and ">"; it takes the form <unique>@<full_domain_name>.  A message
>    identifier may be distinguished from a news group name by the
>    presence of the commercial at "@" character. No additional characters
>    are reserved within the components of a news URL.
>
>    If <newsgroup-name> is "*" (as in <URL:news:*>), it is used to refer
>    to "all available news groups".
>
>    The news URLs are unusual in that by themselves, they do not contain
>    sufficient information to locate a single resource, but, rather, are
>    location-independent.
>
>3.7. NNTP
>
>    The nntp URL scheme is an alternative method of referencing news
>    articles, useful for specifying news articles from NNTP servers (RFC
>    977).
>
>    A nntp URL take the form:
>
>       nntp://<host>:<port>/<newsgroup-name>/<article-number>
>
>    where <host> and <port> are as described in Section 3.1. If :<port>
>    is omitted, the port defaults to 119.
>
>    The <newsgroup-name> is the name of the group, while the <article-
>    number> is the numeric id of the article within that newsgroup.
>
>    Note that while nntp: URLs specify a unique location for the article
>    resource, most NNTP servers currently on the Internet today are
>    configured only to allow access from local clients, and thus nntp
>    URLs do not designate globally accessible resources. Thus, the news:
>    form of URL is preferred as a way of identifying news articles.
>----------
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