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Re: Please don't shout or throw things at this respec newbie

From: Robin Berjon <robin@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:25:47 +0200
Message-ID: <51ACC38B.9070905@w3.org>
To: "Henry S. Thompson" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
CC: spec-prod@frink.w3.org
On 03/06/2013 17:10 , Henry S. Thompson wrote:
> Robin Berjon writes:
>> If that's the case, I'm afraid the only fix will be to switch to
>> HTML (at least for the media type), because removing all uses of
>> innerHTML would be a major undertaking.
> The fact that it works with specStatus="unofficial" suggests that your
> use of innerHTML is pretty modest, so I have some hope . . .

Well, yes and no. Our use of innerHTML intersected with the ReSpec 
features that your draft uses is relatively modest, but that's less the 
case across the full code base.

We use innerHTML *directly* for at least:

 Syntax highlighting
 Markdown support
 WebIDL processing
 References (when they still use the old HTML-based form)
 Saving generated documents (via the interface)

I also have no idea how much the libraries we depend on use it; but 
clearly at least in the following cases:

 Including and transforming external resources
 Issues and Notes

So yanking it is going to be hard at best. The strange thing is that the 
innerHTML-in-XHTML seems to trip things up in only *some* of the above 
uses. Which, and why, I don't know. Browsers are being pretty 
uncooperative in their error reporting.

> I'll send you a private note as to where you can find the doc't, as
> it's not ready for public viewing just yet. . .

So I ran your document with the non-optimised build and I get the same 
results. I haven't been able to debug it fully but I believe that the 
problem boils down to this: when using specStatus=unofficial, the W3C 
logo is not prepended to the draft, whereas it is for all other modes. 
jQuery notices that there's an <img> in the template we're injecting, 
and it does something with it to handle the /> (I'm not exactly clear on 
what just yet) which browsers don't like in an XHTML context.

That's as far as I'll get tonight  but to be honest I doubt that we can 
make this work with XHTML. The fact that you're the first to notice, for 
a script that's been in extensive use since 2009, should give you an 
idea of how common using XHTML is, even in this community.

Note that this does *not* prevent you from creating your documents as 
XHTML, editing them with XML tools, etc. It's only a problem if they 
then get served as such. Is that an issue?

If it is a problem, I can try to dig to see if there's a workaround for 
you. But I won't ever be able to make it work across the board, only 
perhaps (and it's a big perhaps) for the basic features that you're 
currently using. As far as I can tell at this point it would involve 
patching jQuery to notice that it's being used in XHTML, or at least do 
something that mucks with its internals.

Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/ - @robinberjon
Received on Monday, 3 June 2013 16:25:55 UTC

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