Re: vcard:AddressBook

The vast majority of rdf classes are for describing “non rdf” stuff from
everyday world. People, places, etc. Some are document-like eg Dublin Core
typical usecase.

The reason this is slippery to think about is that RDF’s role in describing
these things is often kind of transparent - part of the application
infrastructure. Except sometimes we do talk about file formats for rdf and
other kinds of thing. The Linked Data idea tried to set expectations that
URIs for instances of all types of thing can be dereferenced to some kind
of RDF, even if the type has nothing itself to do with RDF….

Dan

On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 17:37 Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org> wrote:

> That’s a good question. Are there other examples where RDF classes are
> used to describe non-RDF documents?
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 at 17:41, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> wrote:
>
>> Is a vcard file in ietf format a vcard:Addressbook in this sense?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 16:34 Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless someone objects I will contact W3C staff to make the edit in
>>> https://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michiel
>>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 at 10:41, Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The reaction on the Calsify mailing list (from my respected personal
>>>> friend Hans-Joerg Happel) sounded positive:
>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/calsify/17sFwUiDu-zp77vbiQBJRjR-_L8/
>>>> There was also a thumbs-up from Pete Rivett on Tim Berners-Lee point
>>>> here:
>>>> https://github.com/solid/contacts/issues/8#issuecomment-2719050285
>>>>
>>>> That makes me think that adding the terms from
>>>> https://github.com/solid/contacts/pull/12/files?short_path=d90e4ed#diff-d90e4edb2d214338309e8948af2f00da8dac0954ae325f903ad5b85d9ae6e9e5
>>>> into https://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns could be a reasonable path
>>>> forward? What would be the next step to explore that?
>>>>
>>>> And in general, can we (as a DX improvement) create links from
>>>> https://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns to https://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf/
>>>> and the other documents that describe it?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Michiel de Jong
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 16:19, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-03-20 15:52, Michiel de Jong wrote:
>>>>> > Thanks! I asked them how they would feel about vCard-related RDF
>>>>> terms
>>>>> > existing only at W3C: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/calsify/
>>>>> > TtTXanhR-iK39MUIiaQv41lnS7U/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/
>>>>> > calsify/TtTXanhR-iK39MUIiaQv41lnS7U/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to increase the chances of getting new terms into vCard, I
>>>>> suggest dialing back on Solid. Sharing implementation experience is
>>>>> very
>>>>> useful, but be prepared to generalise it - without making it seem
>>>>> Solid-specific - so that it has broader applicability and a higher
>>>>> chance of gaining wider support. Anything Solid-centric for vCard use
>>>>> will most likely need to remain within the Solid ecosystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>> https://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>
>>>>>